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PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 3667, MISSISQUOI AND TROUT RIVERS
WILD AND SCENIC RIVER STUDY ACT OF 2008

Mr. WELCH of Vermont. Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on
Rules, I call up House Resolution 1419 and ask for its immediate
consideration.
The Clerk read the resolution, as follows:

H. Res. 1419

Resolved, That at any time after the adoption of this
resolution the Speaker may, pursuant to clause 2(b) of rule
XVIII, declare the House resolved into the Committee of the
Whole House on the state of the Union for consideration of
the bill (H.R. 3667) to amend the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act
to designate a segment of the Missisquoi and Trout Rivers in
the State of Vermont for study for potential addition to the
National Wild and Scenic Rivers System. The first reading of
the bill shall be dispensed with. All points of order against
consideration of the bill are waived except those arising
under clause 9 or 10 of rule XXI. General debate shall be
confined to the bill and shall not exceed one hour equally
divided and controlled by the chairman and ranking minority
member of the Committee on Natural Resources. After general
debate the bill shall be considered for amendment under the
five-minute rule. It shall be in order to consider as an
original bill for the purpose of amendment under the five-
minute rule the amendment in the nature of a substitute
recommended by the Committee on Natural Resources now printed
in the bill pursuant to Part II of House Report 110-668. That
committee amendment in the nature of a substitute shall be
considered as read. All points of order against that
committee amendment in the nature of a substitute are waived
except those arising under clause 10 of rule XXI.
Notwithstanding clause 11 of rule XVIII, no amendment to that
committee amendment in the nature of a substitute shall be in
order except those printed in the report of the Committee on
Rules accompanying this resolution. Each such amendment may
be offered only in the order printed in the report, may be
offered only by a Member designated in the report, shall be
considered as read, shall be debatable for the time specified
in the report equally divided and controlled by the proponent
and an opponent, shall not be subject to amendment, and shall
not be subject to a demand for division of the question in
the House or in the Committee of the Whole. All points of
order against such amendments are waived except those arising
under clause 9 or 10 of rule XXI. At the conclusion of
consideration of the bill for amendment the Committee shall
rise and report the bill to the House with such amendments as
may have been adopted. Any Member may demand a separate vote
in the House on any amendment adopted in the Committee of the
Whole to the bill or to the committee amendment in the nature
of a substitute made in order as original text. The previous
question shall be considered as ordered on the bill and
amendments thereto to final passage without intervening
motion except one motion to recommit with or without
instructions.
Sec. 2. During consideration in the House of H.R. 3667
pursuant to this resolution, notwithstanding the operation of
the previous question, the Chair may postpone further
consideration of the bill to such time as may be designated
by the Speaker.
Sec. 3. House Resolution 1399 is laid on the table.

The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman from Vermont is recognized for
1 hour.
Mr. WELCH of Vermont. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I
yield the customary 30 minutes to the gentleman from Washington, my
friend, Mr. Hastings. All time yielded during consideration of the rule
is for debate only.

General Leave

Mr. WELCH of Vermont. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all
Members be given 5 legislative days in which to revise and extend
remarks on House Resolution 1419.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Vermont?
There was no objection.
Mr. WELCH of Vermont. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
H. Res. 1419 provides for the consideration of H.R. 3667, the
Missisquoi and Trout Rivers Wild and Scenic Study Act of 2008, under a
structured rule. The rule provides 1 hour of general debate controlled
by the Committee on Natural Resources, makes in order three amendments
printed in the Rules Committee report, and provides one motion to
recommit with or without instructions.
Mr. Speaker, I want to thank Chairman Rahall and Representative
Grijalva, Ranking Members Young and Bishop for helping to bring this
bill to the floor today. And I would like to thank the staff of the
Natural Resources Committee for their very hard work on a bill that is
of great importance to my State of Vermont.
The Missisquoi and Trout Rivers are two of the most beautiful rivers
in the most beautiful State in the Nation, and that, with all due
respect to the man from Washington, I claim to be the State of Vermont.
These rivers are bordered by the largest and perhaps the highest
quality silver maple floodplain forest remaining in our State of
Vermont. They are also home to diverse animal life, including brook
trout, rare freshwater mussels, and spiny soft shell turtles. It's a
favorite walking, hiking, fishing area for many people in northern
Vermont and, indeed, from Upstate New York and all around Vermont.
Additionally, the Missisquoi River is part of this extraordinary 740-
mile northern forest canoe trail, which is home to some of the best
flat-water canoeing in Vermont and in the Northeast. Both of these
rivers are highly valued by the surrounding towns and the communities.
It has great recreational areas, swimming pools, and boating. Vermont
parents that grew up swimming in these rivers take their kids back
there, and it's a place in Vermont of just extraordinary scenic and
natural beauty.
The bill, as these study bills all do, provides for a study of the
two rivers, and it represents a first step toward protecting Abenaki
Indian archeological sites along the flood plains, protecting scenic
waterfalls and gorges, and a way of life that has been in these
communities surrounding the two rivers for generations.
Passage of the rule will allow the Missisquoi and Trout Rivers Wild
and Scenic River Study Act to be considered on the floor by the full
body, and I urge support of this rule and the underlying bill.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my friend
from Vermont (Mr. Welch) for yielding me the customary 30 minutes, and
I yield myself such time as I may consume.
(Mr. HASTINGS of Washington asked and was given permission to revise
and extend his remarks.)
Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. Speaker, my colleague has spoken at
length about the reasons--though not as long as I thought he would,
let's put it that way--why he believes these stretches of the river in
Vermont to be studied for the designation as Wild and Scenic, and it's
very clear that he strongly believes in this bill to enact this study.
He obviously has a great deal of love for his State when he challenges
all of the other 49 States as not being as beautiful, at least
indirectly, as Vermont. And I would just point out to him that in my
State we have so much geographic diversity as far as beauty is
concerned, from one area of the State where we have more rainfall than
anyplace in a country--I'm not talking about Seattle; I'm talking about
the Olympic Peninsula--to the area where I live, which is a desert area
that has in some areas where I live less than 7 inches of rain. So I
invite my friend any time he wants to come out to see what real beauty
is in a short period of time, and he may want to ask me up there and I
might respond to that.
But having said all of that, Mr. Speaker, I believe it's fair to say
that the American people, frankly, are far less concerned about the
rivers in Vermont and are far more concerned about the high price of
gasoline and the fact that Congress is not acting right now on real
solutions to lower energy costs.
The House of Representatives will spend over 2\1/2\ hours today
discussing rivers in Vermont but not 1 minute,

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Mr. Speaker, not 1 minute, on actual legislation to lower the price of
gasoline. I really believe that the priorities of this Congress since
we have come back from the 5-week August vacation are wrong. High gas
and energy prices are hurting American workers and it's hurting our
Nation's economy.

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With jobs at stake, Mr. Speaker, this Congress twiddles its thumbs
and busies itself once again, as we did earlier in the year, naming
post offices and, today, studying the value of rivers in Vermont, in
all deference to my friend from Vermont.
Mr. Speaker, this House should be permitted to have a ``yes'' or
``no'' vote on legislation to expand alternative energy sources and to
lift the ban on drilling offshore, both coasts, Mr. Speaker, and in
ANWR and other Alaskan lands in Alaska. But, unfortunately, the liberal
leaders in this Congress have blocked, up to this point have blocked, a
fair ``yes'' or ``no'' vote for months because I believe, Mr. Speaker,
and I believe the majority of Members of this body knows that if we
were to put the all-of-the-above energy plan up for a vote, that a
majority of this House would vote for it. But we have been denied that
opportunity time after time after time. Instead, they voted to go on a
5-week vacation in August to avoid working to lower gas prices, to
protect American jobs, to make our Nation more energy independent.
But, Mr. Speaker, I want to say that during that time since the
adjournment for the 5-week vacation, a number of my Republican
colleagues, 136 of my Republican colleagues, were here every day for
several hours a day, trying to attempt to call the ask the Speaker to
call Congress back in session. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. So
now we are back here again on a regularly scheduled basis, and we will
certainly have an opportunity to have a vote on the all-of-the-above,
and I will talk about that more later.
But, Mr. Speaker, in the past, in the past, Senator Barack Obama,
Senator Joe Biden, Senator Harry Reid, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi, they
are the leaders of the Democrat Party here in the U.S. Congress. Yet
the one thing, other than being Democrat leaders, the one thing they
all have in common, Mr. Speaker, is that they have in the past always
opposed offshore drilling and drilling in Alaska. I think the majority
of the Americans feel contrary to that view. And they fight and block
any action on that at every turn. They refuse to act and to allow a
vote on a drilling and alternative energy plan that would ultimately
lower gas prices.
To me, Mr. Speaker, I just simply have to say in this election year
that it's clear that liberalism has been put ahead of the need to help
American workers and families struggling with high gas prices. We need
to end the stranglehold that they have on America's ability to produce
more of its own energy and on American jobs and the economy. And we can
do that, Mr. Speaker, very simply by opening the resources that we have
in this country. We need to change their no, no, no stance on producing
more American energy.
This Congress, Mr. Speaker, and we all know this, needs to vote on
the all-of-the-above energy plan. In that plan it includes promoting
alternative energy sources, like wind and solar power. I might add
parenthetically, Mr. Speaker, that we have a nuclear plant in my
district, we have hydro plants in my district, and we have wind
machines in my district. I am all in favor of all of the above, and our
all-of-the-above energy plan includes precisely that.
This plan recognizes the need for more nuclear power. As I mentioned,
I have a nuclear power plant in my district. Of course, it protects the
value of hydropower, and that is the most abundant energy source for us
in the Northwest. But it also allows, while we transition to a new
energy source in the future, it allows drilling offshore and in Alaska
and on other Federal lands.
Mr. Speaker, it really is time for the liberal leaders of this
Congress to stop blocking a vote on producing more American-made
energy. It's time for Members of Congress to stop hiding and to start
voting.
Mr. Speaker, we all know that we are not elected to avoid taking
positions on tough issues. We are elected to stand up and resolve those
tough issues for the American people. So it's time for Congress to set
aside naming post offices; in deference, again, to my friend from
Vermont, studying rivers. It's time to get serious about addressing the
high cost of gasoline and voting yes or no on real solutions, including
drilling offshore and in Alaska.
With that, Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. WELCH of Vermont. I am the last speaker on our side, so I will
reserve my time.
Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman is the last
speaker, and he is prepared to close. I know I have several Members
that have asked for time. So, Mr. Speaker, I will yield myself such
time as I may consume until other Members come to the floor.
Mr. Speaker, I mentioned just briefly in my remarks that after the
adjournment prior to the 5-week vacation and, by the way, that
adjournment resolution was passed on a straight partisan vote. Every
Republican voted against it because we felt we needed to stay here to
help resolve the energy problem rather than go on a 5-week vacation.
But there were a number of Members, I can mention 136 Members, that
came down here and talked about the need for energy.
During that time, Mr. Speaker, the lights were off here, the
microphones were off, and the cameras were off. Yet there were a number
of tourists, as we always have coming through the U.S. Capitol, their
Capitol, and they were invited to sit on the floor and talk with us,
interact with Members that came down and spoke.
The 2 days that I was here, and I admit I was only here 2 of those
days, the last 2 days, and I had private conversations with a number of
tourists that came through here. I have to say they were not from the
Northwest, although there were some from the Northwest, but there were
some from the South, and they were all kind of perplexed as to why the
people's House, the House of Representatives, probably the genius part
of our Founding Fathers in making a representative body, of which all
Members that have served there, and there are slightly over 11,000
Members that have served in this body and, Mr. Speaker, every one,
every one of those Members have been elected to this House. There has
never been a Member that was appointed to the U.S. House of
Representatives.
Now why do I say this in the context of energy prices? The genius of
our Founding Fathers was that the House of Representatives and the fact
that every one was elected is probably more in tune to what the
people's wishes are across the country.
And so they were, frankly, the people I talked to, perplexed. Well,
if this is the people's House, why haven't you had the opportunity to
have a vote, just a vote up or down, recognizing, listen, we know that
a majority rules, and I am prepared to take the consequences of that if
my position on any issue fails to get a majority vote. I recognize
that. I think every Member of Congress understands that. But to not
have the opportunity, not have the opportunity to even vote, even vote
on a proposal, really perplexes the tourists that came through here the
2 days I was on the floor.
In talking to my other colleagues, some of whom were down here as
many as 13 days, and more, they had what I would say were similar
experiences with their conversations with people that came through
here.
Mr. Speaker, I mentioned that my district is the district that in
central Washington that is a center of virtually--I won't say all, but
a great deal--of electricity that is produced in the Pacific Northwest.
Within my district, for example, probably the hydroelectric facility
that most Americans can associate with is Grand Coulee Dam. Half of
that dam is in my district and the other half is in my colleague's from
the Fifth District, Cathy McMorris Rodgers' district.
But, in addition to that, I have up to 10 dams that are wholly within
my district or I share with other Members of Congress, including my
friend and colleague from across the river in Oregon, Greg Walden.
There are three dams there where we share half of those dams.

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That produces about 70 percent of the electricity in the northwest.
It is renewable, Mr. Speaker. It is absolutely renewable, and we need
to expand that, and a portion of expanding hydropower is in the all-of-
the-above energy plan I talked about earlier that we have been denied a
vote on. We have been denied a vote on.
Furthermore, I mentioned that I have wind plants in my district.
Because generally in areas that I mentioned earlier on, that there was
not a whole lot of rainfall in certain parts of my district, but the
wind does blow. Now the wind, of course, is only good if the wind
blows. But if the wind blows, it adds to the other facilities, like
hydro, like hydro, or like nuclear. And I have a nuclear plant in my
district.
What I am saying, Mr. Speaker, is that my constituents are well aware
that we need to have a diverse energy portfolio. Without having an
opportunity in the people's House to at least address the issue of all
of the above, seems to me to be contrary, seems to me to be contrary to
what this Congress is all about, and indeed what the House of
Representatives is all about as it was envisioned by the Founders.
With that, Mr. Speaker, I have talked about what we did in August,
and I have talked about the fact that up until August, and now we have
a new session coming in after the break, that the Democrats have
blocked and blocked any vote on lifting the ban.
But I have heard during the break that there are a number of brave
Democrats who I think went home, talked to their constituents, and find
out that their constituents were saying we need to become more energy
independent. As a result, they proclaim that they support now offshore
drilling to increase the supply of gasoline and oil and to make America
more energy independent.
Well, listen. To all of my colleagues that maybe during the August
break and having listened to their colleagues or to their constituents
at home, I have a very positive message for you, and I have an
opportunity for you, because by voting against the previous question,
Mr. Speaker, all of my colleagues can prove that you are supporters of
drilling and producing American-made energy. Of course, if you do not,
that means that you side, of course, with Speaker Pelosi and you oppose
drilling.
By defeating the previous question, Mr. Speaker, I will move to amend
the rule to make in order H.R. 6566, the American Energy Act, and I
have talked at length about what it is. This bill will reduce the price
at the pump by enacting an all-of-the-above energy strategy. Once
again, what it does, it increases the supply of American-made energy by
using environmentally sound technology and innovations. It does so by
improving conservation and efficiency and, Mr. Speaker, it promotes a
diversity by renewing alternative energy sources, like wind that I had
talked about, and solar.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to have the text of the
amendment and extraneous material inserted into the Record prior to the
vote on the previous question.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the
gentleman from Washington?
There was no objection.
Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I again ask my colleagues to
vote ``no'' on the previous question so that Congress, as they return
from the 5-week recess--vacation, in some people's terms--and begin the
work here in the fall before the election, so that we can finally vote,
Mr. Speaker, on real solutions to the real and painful problem of high
gas and energy prices.
American workers and families are hurting. Congress can help, can
help today by voting on and passing this legislation, the American
Energy Act.
Mr. Speaker, I think it's time to show whether you're really for
lowering gas prices or whether you will continue to vote in lockstep
with those against lifting the ban on offshore drilling and promoting
alternative energy.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to vote ``no'' on the previous
question.
With that, I yield back my time.

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Mr. WELCH of Vermont. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
Mr. Speaker, I am shocked that my friend from Washington would
question my assertions about the beauty of Vermont, and I will invite
the Member from Washington to come to Vermont so I can let you
firsthand experience the evidence that I have had so much opportunity
to observe myself.
By the way, I have been to Washington. I climbed Mt. Rainier three
times and was out on the San Juan Islands.
Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. WELCH of Vermont. For bragging about Washington, yes, I will.
Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Well, of course I am going to do that.
And, listen: Mt. Rainier I can see from my district on a clear day,
because it is 14,410 feet high. But it is quite a view when you view it
from a desert setting. So I invite you the next time you come back to
come over to my district for all the great wines, where the wine grapes
are grown, by the way. And I understand my friend likes to have a cold
beer once in a while. The taste of that beer comes from the hops that
are grown in my district.
So, Mr. Speaker, I appreciate my friend yielding on that basis, and I
look forward to his visit. I appreciate it and yield back to him.
Mr. WELCH of Vermont. Thank you, my friend from Washington. We better
get back to the focus at hand, because now Vermont quality beer has
been challenged as well as the beauty of Vermont rivers. So we will
just call this part of the debate a draw and proceed.
Two things in response to comments made by my friend from Washington.
Number one, it appears that there are no reservations or no stated
objections to the study itself that is, frankly, quite important to
Vermont. This is a very special part of our State that has the
opportunity with the benefit of this study to be preserved for
generations ahead, just as it has been cared for and enjoyed by
generations in the past. So it is a very, very serious issue to the
folks in Vermont. It is just a very special place.
The gentleman has not raised any specific objections. His objections
are more in the nature of spending time on this instead of spending
time on something else. So I would urge the Members to take that into
account when they are voting on the previous question.
Second, I will address the energy arguments. This has been the
refrain on the part of our friends on the other side as a response to
every piece of business that we are doing on behalf of the American
people. I think it has become apparent that this has become much more
of a political debate than it has been an effort substantively to solve
a very, very serious problem. Let me give a little commentary about
that.
Number one, my friends on the other side have been in control of this
institution and had the Presidency and the control of Congress for the
past 12 years, until this Congress, and had an opportunity to enact
comprehensive energy legislation when it was quite apparent to the
American people that the problem of our excessive dependence on oil was
a real and urgent problem.
They did nothing. In fact, the energy act they passed quite
astonishingly provided taxpayer incentives, tax deductions, tax
credits, to oil companies that were enjoying record profits. It is a
mature industry, it is a profitable industry, yet the energy policy
that was pursued and failed by our friends on the other side during the
12 years they were in charge basically was to give oil companies more
taxpayer money.
It made no sense. There was no effort to use the power they had of
the majority to bring to the floor legislation that would promote
alternative energy. There was no effort to take the power that they had
and provide tax incentives for the alternative energy industries that
we know we must support if we are going to reduce and ultimately
eliminate our dependence on foreign oil.
Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Would the gentleman yield on that point?
Mr. WELCH of Vermont. I won't yield. My intention, my friend from
Washington, is to respond and bring this to a close, thank you.
So, number one, we are hearing objections from people who when they
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claim they want to do, didn't use the power they had to accomplish
those objectives.
Number two, when we have brought forward legislation and passed it,
it has been with their objection. And what they claim they want to do
are many things that we did over their objection. I will give a few
examples.
To deal with the short-term price pressure at the pump and with home
heating oil, this House of Representatives passed legislation that I
sponsored to stop filling up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and take
off some of the demand on oil. That has contributed to helping bring
down the price of gas at the pump by 5 to 25 cents a gallon.
Secondly, this House of Representatives has gotten tough on
speculators. The evidence is overwhelming that part of the runup in the
price of gasoline when it was heading up to $150 a barrel was because
of the speculative control and influence of hedge funds in foreign
trading operations. We brought to this floor legislation, and just the
fact that we did it finally, when it was ignored and accepted and
mollified by our friends who were in control for 12 years, has helped
bring down that speculative premium.
There is no justification for any one of our constituents when they
pay for a gallon of gasoline or a gallon of home heating oil or a cubic
gallon of natural gas to have included in their price a speculation
premium for profiteers, and this Congress passed legislation to
challenge that, against the opposition of our friends on the other
side. So we have taken very specific actions to try to do what we
reasonably can do to bring down the price pressure that is ripping off
the American consuming public.
Second, we have passed energy legislation that is comprehensive,
again over the opposition of our friends on the other side. One of the
things we did was provided for tax credits for the alternative energy
industry. We have to do that. That is of urgent, vital economic and
environmental concern to this country.
We passed legislation that took away the tax breaks that are going to
oil companies. There is no basis whatsoever to ask the taxpayer to pad
the profits of a mature and profitable industry. They don't need it.
They are doing quite well without additional taxpayer money to their
bottom line.
But the new industries, the alternative energies that my friend from
Washington mentioned, wind and solar, geothermal and biomass, they do
need a boost, and historically when we have been at our best is when we
have had the wisdom to use tax policy in a targeted and focused way to
give a boost to these emerging industries and technologies that are
good for the American economy and good for our environment, and that is
what we need to do.
We have passed this in the House several times. Our friends on the
other side opposed it. Our friends in the Senate won't move on it. We
are prepared to do it again. But the suggestion that has been made
repetitively, over and over again, that the leadership of the
Democratic Party in the House of Representatives is standing in the way
of energy policy is flat out wrong. It is flat out false. Why is it
being offered? It is being offered for political purposes, I would
suggest.
Now, let me tell you this: That although we have passed comprehensive
energy legislation several times in this House, although each time we
have done it we have had to overcome the opposition of our friends on
the other side, and although every time we bring up a legitimate piece
of legislation that is part of the public business that this Congress
must conduct, whether it is a study on the Missisquoi River, an energy
bill or any other bill, every time we do our friends try to cease the
debate and distort what has happened, we are prepared, as the gentleman
from Washington knows, we in the Democratic Party, our leadership is
prepared to bring up yet another comprehensive energy bill that does
include all of the above.
The fact is, on our side we have passed all of the above time and
time again, against the opposition of our friends on the other side,
and then it has run into a brick wall in the other body or the
steadfast opposition of the President of the United States. But the
gentleman from Washington is aware that the leadership is prepared to
bring up yet another bill to give us another opportunity to do the
right thing.
Let me say this: I actually think it would be great to work together
with the other side. I come from a State where we shift majorities back
and forth. Sometimes the Democrats were in control, sometimes the
Republican were in control. I was the senate president and I was the
minority leader. I learned that in order for us ever to get anything
done, we had to ultimately work together. I also came to understand
that neither side had an absolute claim that they were the only people
who had a good point of view, who had an iron grip on truth.
I believe that it would be best for all of us if there was some
willingness to try to work on the substance, rather than just use this
as a political football, and my observation is that for whatever
reason, it is tough to get to that point here in the House of
Representatives in Washington.
Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Will the gentleman yield on that point?
Mr. WELCH of Vermont. I wouldn't yield, my friend, because I will be
bringing this to a close.
I want to take the opportunity, as I must, when the assertions are
made, falsely in my view, that the Democratic leadership is standing in
the way of energy policy change, that is just flat-out wrong. The
energy for energy reform has come from the leadership on the Democratic
side. Frankly, it has come from the American people, who are tired of a
Congress that passed off as an energy policy giving more money to the
oil companies.
We have to make a fundamental decision in this hyper-political
atmosphere of a presidential election whether we want to continue
politics as usual, which in my view is a dead end, or we want to work
together to achieve what we know is important for the American people,
that is, short-term relief for prices at the pump, and it is a long-
term energy policy that frees us from the dependence on oil from
foreign countries.
So, Mr. Speaker, having said that, let me just close by coming back
to this very important bill. It is a study. It is not necessarily
important for many other parts of the country. But one of the things
that makes this Congress and this country great is mutual respect. When
there is a disaster in the Gulf Coast, all States pull together to help
out. When there is flooding in the Midwest, all States pull together.
When there is an opportunity for a small State like Vermont to take a
step with Wild and Scenic River study that will help us and help our
citizens enjoy the beauty of our land, I seek the help of my colleagues
to let us accomplish that goal.
It is my request and my urging that all Members vote ``yes'' on the
previous question and on the rule.
The material previously referred to by Mr. Hastings of Washington is
as follows:

Amendment to H. Res. 1419 Offered by Mr. Hastings of Washington

At the end of the resolution, add the following:
Sec. 4. Immediately upon the adoption of this resolution
the House shall, without intervention of any point of order,
consider in the House the bill (H.R. 6566) to bring down
energy prices by increasing safe, domestic production,
encouraging the development of alternative and renewable
energy, and promoting conservation. All points of order
against the bill are waived. The bill shall be considered as
read. The previous question shall be considered as ordered on
the bill and any amendment thereto to final passage without
intervening motion except: (1) one hour of debate on the bill
equally divided and controlled by the majority and minority
leader, and (2) an amendment in the nature of a substitute if
offered by the majority leader or his designee, which shall
be considered as read and shall be separately debatable for
40 minutes equally divided and controlled by the proponent
and an opponent; and (3) one motion to recommit with or
without instructions.
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(The information contained herein was provided by
Democratic Minority on multiple occasions throughout the
109th Congress.)

The Vote on the Previous Question: What It Really Means

This vote, the vote on whether to order the previous
question on a special rule, is not merely a procedural vote.
A vote against ordering the previous question is a vote
against the Democratic majority agenda and a vote to allow
the opposition, at least for the moment, to offer an
alternative plan. It is a vote about what the House should be
debating.

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Mr. Clarence Cannon's Precedents of the House of
Representatives (VI, 308-311) describes the vote on the
previous question on the rule as ``a motion to direct or
control the consideration of the subject before the House
being made by the Member in charge.'' To defeat the previous
question is to give the opposition a chance to decide the
subject before the House. Cannon cites the Speaker's ruling
of January 13, 1920, to the effect that ``the refusal of the
House to sustain the demand for the previous question passes
the control of the resolution to the opposition'' in order to
offer an amendment. On March 15, 1909, a member of the
majority party offered a rule resolution. The House defeated
the previous question and a member of the opposition rose to
a parliamentary inquiry, asking who was entitled to
recognition. Speaker Joseph G. Cannon (R-Illinois) said:
``The previous question having been refused, the gentleman
from New York, Mr. Fitzgerald, who had asked the gentleman to
yield to him for an amendment, is entitled to the first
recognition.''
Because the vote today may look bad for the Democratic
majority they will say ``the vote on the previous question is
simply a vote on whether to proceed to an immediate vote on
adopting the resolution . . . [and] has no substantive
legislative or policy implications whatsoever.'' But that is
not what they have always said. Listen to the definition of
the previous question used in the Floor Procedures Manual
published by the Rules Committee in the 109th Congress (page
56). Here's how the Rules Committee described the rule using
information from Congressional Quarterly's ``American
Congressional Dictionary'': ``If the previous question is
defeated, control of debate shifts to the leading opposition
member (usually the minority Floor Manager) who then manages
an hour of debate and may offer a germane amendment to the
pending business.''
Deschler's Procedure in the U.S. House of Representatives,
the subchapter titled ``Amending Special Rules'' states: ``a
refusal to order the previous question on such a rule [a
special rule reported from the Committee on Rules] opens the
resolution to amendment and further debate.'' (Chapter 21,
section 21.2) Section 21.3 continues: ``Upon rejection of the
motion for the previous question on a resolution reported
from the Committee on Rules, control shifts to the Member
leading the opposition to the previous question, who may
offer a proper amendment or motion and who controls the time
for debate thereon.''
Clearly, the vote on the previous question on a rule does
have substantive policy implications. It is one of the only
available tools for those who oppose the Democratic
majority's agenda and allows those with alternative views the
opportunity to offer an alternative plan.

Mr. WELCH of Vermont. Mr. Speaker, my understanding is it is my
opportunity now to yield back the balance of my time and move the
previous question.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on ordering the previous
question.
The question was taken; and the Speaker pro tempore announced that
the ayes appeared to have it.
Mr. HASTINGS of Washington. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas
and nays.
The yeas and nays were ordered.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to clause 8 of rule XX, further
proceedings on this question will be postponed.

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