[Senate Hearing 115-481] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] S. Hrg. 115-481 BURMAN, COMBS, DABBAR, DOMENECH, JONAS AND MENEZES NOMINATIONS ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED FIFTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION TO CONSIDER THE NOMINATIONS OF BRENDA BURMAN, TO BE COMMISSIONER OF RECLAMATION; SUSAN COMBS, TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR; PAUL DABBAR, TO BE UNDER SECRETARY FOR SCIENCE, DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY; DOUGLAS W. DOMENECH, TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR; DAVID S. JONAS, TO BE GENERAL COUNSEL OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY; AND MARK WESLEY MENEZES, TO BE UNDER SECRETARY OF ENERGY __________ JULY 20, 2017 __________ [GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Printed for the use of the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.govinfo.gov __________ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 26-869 PDF WASHINGTON : 2019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Publishing Office, http://bookstore.gpo.gov. For more information, contact the GPO Customer Contact Center, U.S. Government Publishing Office. Phone 202-512-1800, or 866-512-1800 (toll-free).E-mail, [email protected]. COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES LISA MURKOWSKI, Alaska, Chairman JOHN BARRASSO, Wyoming MARIA CANTWELL, Washington JAMES E. RISCH, Idaho RON WYDEN, Oregon MIKE LEE, Utah BERNARD SANDERS, Vermont JEFF FLAKE, Arizona DEBBIE STABENOW, Michigan STEVE DAINES, Montana AL FRANKEN, Minnesota CORY GARDNER, Colorado JOE MANCHIN III, West Virginia LAMAR ALEXANDER, Tennessee MARTIN HEINRICH, New Mexico JOHN HOEVEN, North Dakota MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii BILL CASSIDY, Louisiana ANGUS S. KING, JR., Maine ROB PORTMAN, Ohio TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois LUTHER STRANGE, Alabama CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada Colin Hayes, Staff Director Patrick J. McCormick III, Chief Counsel Kellie Donnelly, Deputy Chief Counsel Angela Becker-Dippmann, Democratic Staff Director Sam E. Fowler, Democratic Chief Counsel C O N T E N T S ---------- OPENING STATEMENTS Page Murkowski, Hon. Lisa, Chairman and a U.S. Senator from Alaska.... 1 Cornyn, Hon. John, a U.S. Senator from Texas..................... 1 Radewagen, Hon. Aumua Amata Coleman, a U.S. Congresswoman from American Samoa................................................. 2 Cassidy, Hon. Bill, a U.S. Senator from Louisiana................ 3 Flake, Hon. Jeff, a U.S. Senator from Arizona.................... 4 Cantwell, Hon. Maria, Ranking Member and a U.S. Senator from Washington..................................................... 6 WITNESSES Burman, Brenda, nominated to be Commissioner of Reclamation...... 8 Combs, Susan, nominated to be an Assistant Secretary of the Interior....................................................... 14 Dabbar, Paul, nominated to be Under Secretary for Science, Department of Energy........................................... 18 Domenech, Douglas W., nominated to be an Assistant Secretary of the Interior................................................... 22 Jonas, David S., nominated to be General Counsel of the Department of Energy........................................... 26 Menezes, Mark Wesley, nominated to be Under Secretary of Energy.. 30 ALPHABETICAL LISTING AND APPENDIX MATERIAL SUBMITTED Abel, Greg: Letter for the Record........................................ 136 American Council on Renewable Energy (ACORE): Letter for the Record........................................ 137 American Recreation Coalition, et al.: Letter for the Record........................................ 138 American Samoa Government: Letter for the Record........................................ 139 American Wind Energy Association: Letter for the Record........................................ 141 Association of Texas Soil and Water Conservation Districts, et al.: Letter for the Record........................................ 142 Barber, K. Suzanne: Letter for the Record........................................ 144 Blaine, Casey Q.: Letter for the Record........................................ 146 Burman, Brenda: Opening Statement............................................ 8 Written Testimony............................................ 11 Responses to Questions for the Record........................ 61 Calvo, Hon. Eddie Baza: Letter for the Record........................................ 148 Cantwell, Hon. Maria: Opening Statement............................................ 6 Written Statement............................................ 7 Carter, Hon. John R.: Letter for the Record........................................ 149 Cassidy, Hon. Bill: Opening Statement............................................ 3 Combs, Susan: Opening Statement............................................ 14 Written Testimony............................................ 16 Responses to Questions for the Record........................ 70 Cornyn, Hon. John: Opening Statement............................................ 1 Cox, Kendall P.: Letter for the Record........................................ 151 Dabbar, Paul: Opening Statement............................................ 18 Written Testimony............................................ 20 Responses to Questions for the Record........................ 80 Domenech, Douglas W.: Opening Statement............................................ 22 Written Testimony............................................ 24 Responses to Questions for the Record........................ 100 Ducks Unlimited: Letter for the Record........................................ 152 Flake, Hon. Jeff: Opening Statement............................................ 4 Geothermal Energy Association: Letter for the Record........................................ 153 Gila River Indian Community: Letter for the Record........................................ 154 Gonzalez-Colon, Hon. Jennifer: Letter for the Record........................................ 156 Greater Killeen Chamber of Commerce: Letter for the Record........................................ 158 Harris, Scott Blake: Letter for the Record........................................ 159 Hill, David R.: Letter for the Record........................................ 161 Jonas, David S.: Opening Statement............................................ 26 Written Testimony............................................ 28 Responses to Questions for the Record........................ 108 Kane, Michael: Letter for the Record........................................ 162 Killeen Economic Development Corporation: Letter for the Record........................................ 164 Langston, Marc B.: Letter for the Record........................................ 165 Mapp, Hon. Kenneth E.: Letter for the Record........................................ 167 Mattingly, Hon. Mack F.: Letter for the Record........................................ 168 McLean, Calpurnia: Letter for the Record........................................ 169 Menezes, Mark Wesley: Opening Statement............................................ 30 Written Testimony............................................ 33 Responses to Questions for the Record........................ 119 Moseley, Jeff: Letter for the Record........................................ 171 Murkowski, Hon. Lisa: Opening Statement............................................ 1 Neugebauer, Hon. Randy: Letter for the Record........................................ 172 Parry III, William H.: Letter for the Record........................................ 173 Plaskett, Hon. Stacey E.: Letter for the Record........................................ 174 Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER): Letter for the Record........................................ 175 Public Lands Council and National Cattlemen's Beef Association: Letter for the Record regarding Ms. Combs.................... 179 Letter for the Record regarding Mr. Domenech................. 180 Radewagen, Hon. Aumua Amata Coleman: Opening Statement............................................ 2 Roberts, Amy: Letter for the Record........................................ 181 Sablan, Hon. Gregorio Kilili Camacho: Letter for the Record........................................ 182 San Joaquin River Exchange Contractors Water Authority: Letter for the Record........................................ 183 Service Employees International Union, Local 500: Letter for the Record........................................ 185 Sessions, Hon. Pete: Letter for the Record........................................ 186 Solar Energy Industries Association: Letter for the Record........................................ 187 South Texans' Property Rights Association Board of Directors: Letter for the Record........................................ 189 Sullivan, Sean: Letter for the Record........................................ 190 Texas and Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association: Letter for the Record........................................ 191 Texas Cattle Feeders Association: Letter for the Record........................................ 192 Texas Farm Bureau: Letter for the Record........................................ 193 Texas Public Policy Foundation: Letter for the Record........................................ 194 Texas Wildlife Association: Letter for the Record........................................ 196 Torres, Hon. Ralph DLG.: Letter for the Record........................................ 197 Turner, Shelley P.: Letter for the Record........................................ 198 Urrutia, Elizabeth: Letter for the Record........................................ 200 BURMAN, COMBS, DABBAR, DOMENECH, JONAS AND MENEZES NOMINATIONS ---------- THURSDAY, JULY 20, 2017 U.S. Senate, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, Washington, DC. The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:03 a.m. in Room SD-366, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Lisa Murkowski, Chairman of the Committee, presiding. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. LISA MURKOWSKI, U.S. SENATOR FROM ALASKA The Chairman. Good morning. The Committee will come to order. Welcome. We are here this morning to consider six nominations, three from the Department of the Interior (DOI) and three from the Department of Energy (DOE). Our Interior nominees are Brenda Burman, to be Commissioner of Reclamation; Susan Combs, to be Assistant Secretary for Policy, Management, and Budget; and Doug Domenech, to be the Assistant Secretary for Insular Areas. Our Energy nominees are Paul Dabbar, to be Under Secretary for Science; David Jonas, to be General Counsel; and Mark Menezes, to be Under Secretary. I would like to welcome all six nominees to our Committee and thank them for their willingness to serve our country. To begin this morning we will hear introductions from several colleagues, beginning first with Senator Cornyn and then Congresswoman Radewagen. Senator Flake and Senator Cassidy also wish to provide introductions of some of our nominees. At this point in time, before moving to our opening statements, I would like you to begin, Senator Cornyn, with the introduction that you wish to make before the Committee this morning. Welcome. STATEMENT OF HON. JOHN CORNYN, U.S. SENATOR FROM TEXAS Senator Cornyn. Thank you, Chairman Murkowski and Ranking Member Cantwell. It is a pleasure to be back with you to introduce my friend and fellow Texan, Susan Combs, to be the next Assistant Secretary for Policy, Management, and Budget at the Interior Department. I will keep coming back as long as the President keeps nominating Texans for these jobs. [Laughter.] I have known Susan a long time, when we were both practicing lawyers in San Antonio, Texas. She grew up on her family's ranch and is a fourth generation rancher. She understands the nature of our nation's precious resources and heritage better than most. In Texas, Susan has served in multiple levels of government, including the state house, and later as the first female agriculture commissioner for Texas. But most recently, she was our state's comptroller, where she worked tirelessly to develop innovative strategies to address regulatory issues relating to the Endangered Species Act. Susan's efforts to promote conservation were even recognized by the Fish and Wildlife Service during the Obama Administration. I have absolutely no doubt she is the right person for this job. She understands not only how to set goals, she is relentless in accomplishing those goals once set, and bringing other people along with her in the process. Her unique background makes her the perfect choice to help Secretary Zinke and his team manage America's vast natural and cultural resources. We are fortunate to have Susan, that she has agreed once again to answer the call to public service. I am glad to see her husband, Joe, and her family, who I know are supportive of her desire to continue her public service. I am honored to support her nomination here today. Thank you for letting me make these brief remarks. The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Cornyn. I appreciate you being here. I do note the number of Texans that are coming forward. Maybe we will get a few Alaskans, too. It is good to have you here. Let's turn to Congresswoman Radewagen. Welcome to the Committee. STATEMENT OF HON. AUMUA AMATA COLEMAN RADEWAGEN, U.S. CONGRESSWOMAN FROM AMERICAN SAMOA Congresswoman Radewagen. Thank you, Chairman Murkowski, Ranking Member Cantwell, and members of the Committee. Talofa. I am here this morning to introduce a close friend of mine, who I have known for some time now, Mr. Doug Domenech, of Virginia, who has been nominated to the position of Assistant Secretary for Insular Areas at the Department of the Interior. Mr. Domenech currently serves as the Senior Advisor to the Secretary of the Interior and is also Secretary Zinke's appointee to the Advisory Council of the Conservation Trust of Puerto Rico, where he has lived and from where his family originally hails. Previously, he served as the Secretary of Natural Resources for the Commonwealth of Virginia, overseeing six state environmental, recreation and historic resource agencies. Prior to his service to the State of Virginia, Mr. Domenech worked for the Forest Resources Association, whose mission is to sustain forest resources for future generations while creating jobs, a reflection of his environmental background. During the George W. Bush Administration, Mr. Domenech served at the Department of the Interior as the White House liaison and Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretaries Gale Norton and Dirk Kempthorne. Additionally, he served as the Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary for Insular Affairs during that time. Today he is interviewing for a promotion from acting to actual Assistant Secretary. I have known Doug for several years now, and I am proud to call him a true friend. The position for which he is seeking your support is very important to the people of the insular areas. My home district of American Samoa is an insular area, and I can think of no one I would like to see in the position more than Doug Domenech. His knowledge and experience of the region and the mission of the office is unparalleled, and I know that his leadership will be welcomed as we seek to craft real solutions for the constituents we serve. In fact, I have had the pleasure to see him in action and know that he will hit the ground running. I think I speak on behalf of all the territories when I say we are truly thankful for the time he took to meet with each of us prior to this hearing. Be forewarned though, Doug, should you be confirmed there will be many more meetings to come. [Laughter.] I want to thank my friend Doug for his willingness to serve our great nation and thank this Committee for allowing me to come before you today. I hope that you will support his confirmation. Thank you. The Chairman. Congresswoman, thank you. I appreciate those introductions from both of you. I know that it is a busy morning and you have obligations elsewhere, so thank you for joining us here and for those introductions. Senator Cassidy, we made arrangements that you also could provide an introduction, and you can do it from the dais here or---- Senator Cassidy. I will do it from the dais. The Chairman. We are trying to keep things moving because we have a busy calendar this morning and lots going on. STATEMENT OF HON. BILL CASSIDY, U.S. SENATOR FROM LOUISIANA Senator Cassidy. Thank you, Madam Chairman, Ranking Member Cantwell, and my colleagues on the Committee for holding this hearing to consider Department of Energy and Department of the Interior nominees. I also thank you for allowing me to introduce Luling, Louisiana, native, Mark Menezes, a President Trump nominee for Under Secretary of the Department of Energy. Mark's congressional and private experience make him eminently qualified for this position. Proudly, I will say he is a fellow LSU Tiger. Mark earned both a bachelor's and law degree from Louisiana State University, and Mark is the Vice President of Federal Relations for Berkshire Hathaway Energy where he developed extensive experience interacting with federal agencies in Congress. The organizations he represents employs working Americans across the globe building our energy economy with better benefits and better wages in these jobs provided by these companies. Prior to joining Berkshire Hathaway, Mark was a partner at Hunton & Williams where he managed the Regulated Markets in Energy Infrastructure Practice Group. Throughout his career Mark has worked extensively with FERC, EPA, SEC, FCC, DOE, and other state and federal regulatory bodies. On Capitol Hill, Mark served as Chief Counsel on energy and environment issues for the House of Representatives Committee on Energy and Commerce. Mark secured the enactment of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 as a chief negotiator and legislative architect for the House majority. Before working with the Committee on Energy and Commerce, Mark worked as Counsel for the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, where he focused on maritime and energy matters. One thing I do not have in my notes, but I think I recall from the CV, is that you also worked as a roustabout on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, and that is a complete breadth of experience but one which most recognizes roustabouts' concerns, and that is what we need to recognize more in Washington, DC. Mark Menezes is qualified with a wealth of experience for the position before him. Thank you, and I look forward to today's hearing. The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Cassidy. I will note that our former colleague from Louisiana, Mr. Tauzin, is with us this morning, and I know that he has strong words of support for Mr. Menezes, so it is nice to have you here. Senator Flake. STATEMENT OF HON. JEFF FLAKE, U.S. SENATOR FROM ARIZONA Senator Flake. Thank you, Madam Chair. I am pleased to introduce today Brenda Burman, the nominee to be the next Commissioner for the Bureau of Reclamation and the first female Commissioner in the Bureau's 100-year history. While I look forward to having an Arizonan in this position, a glance at Brenda's resume will show anyone that my enthusiasm comes from more than just an in-state bias. She served for 3-1/ 2 years as lead water policy expert for my predecessor, Senator Jon Kyl, who is certainly a western water legend and who strongly supports her confirmation as well. She then went on to serve in the Department of the Interior as Deputy Commissioner of Reclamation and Deputy Assistant Secretary for Water and Science. She also spent four years working for the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, or ``Met.'' She has negotiated key water supply issues for an agency that supplies one out of every 15 Americans. That certainly demonstrates her ability to navigate some thorny situations. Finally, in her current role with the Salt River Project, she is back home in Arizona working on water projects that ensure continued water supply for Central Arizona, including tribal settlements. She has built a reputation of expertise and fairness that is reflected in the nearly 40 letters that I have received--40 letters from local, regional, and national groups urging her confirmation. I know many of those individuals are here in support of her nomination today. I would like to, for the record, submit those letters. The Chairman. They will be included as part of the record. Senator Flake. Thank you, and I urge my colleagues quickly to advance her nomination. Finally, as Chairman of the Water and Power Subcommittee, I look forward to working closely on crucial water issues, western water issues, with the Bureau under Brenda's leadership. So thank you, Madam Chair. And thank you, Brenda, for your willingness to serve and for bringing so much expertise to the position. The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Flake. I appreciate all those introductions. I would now ask the nominees to take their seat at the table. You will see your appropriate name tags there. I will now make a brief statement, and Senator Cantwell will make hers. We will then swear in each of you and hear your testimony, including the introductions of your family members if you have any that are with you today. You can go ahead and be seated here. The first thing I would like to say is that I am glad you are here. I appreciate that. I appreciate the fact that we are at a nominations hearing with six nominees sitting at the witness table. I think this process has been a little bit slower than most of us had anticipated, from the receipt of nominations to the delays that we are seeing just in confirmations. Given that we have a total of 38 nominees to process before our Committee alone, we have only confirmed two, and reported just four others so far, I think this is a good sign this morning to have a full table. This is an important step as we seek to ensure that Secretary Zinke and Secretary Perry have the members of their leadership teams in place as soon as possible. Secretary Zinke has already proven to be an ambitious leader of the Department of the Interior. I had an opportunity to travel with him along with several other colleagues here. We went to the Arctic in Norway and in Greenland and then flew across to the top of the United States there in Alaska. He made a very strong impression on many Alaskans while he was there. So, Ms. Burman, Ms. Combs, Mr. Domenech, I appreciate your willingness to join Secretary Zinke at the Department of the Interior. Should you be confirmed, you will be responsible for identifying the challenges and the opportunities that exist for our federal lands, water management, and territories. Ms. Burman, I also want to note that should you be confirmed, you are going to be the first female Commissioner of the Bureau of Reclamation, so that is good to note. We appreciate that. Now I have not yet been able to host Secretary Perry in the state, but I look forward to doing so and to working with him to continue the Department of Energy's pursuit of scientific breakthroughs, transformative technologies, and energy dominance. Mr. Dabbar, Mr. Jonas, Mr. Menezes, I also appreciate your willingness to serve, and I look forward to hearing more about what you would do, should you be confirmed, to help increase access to energy, make it more affordable, and improve its environmental performance. For members who have questions for our nominees, know that we are going to be trying to work through as many questions as possible. There is an Appropriations full committee markup that is beginning in 15 minutes, so I am going to be jumping in and out of that, but if members have additional questions after the hearing concludes, any questions for the record will be due at the close of business today. Given the fact that our August session has been extended, I also want members to be aware that it is my intention to try to move these nominees as quickly as we can should they prove qualified and have sufficient support within our Committee, hopefully to give them a chance, some chance, of being confirmed before we leave in August. Finally, I have a large number of letters of support for these nominees. Senator Flake mentioned some that he provided for Ms. Burman, but I would ask unanimous consent that they be made a part of the hearing record, and they will do so. With that, I now turn to Senator Cantwell for her opening remarks, and then we will swear in the nominees. STATEMENT OF HON. MARIA CANTWELL, U.S. SENATOR FROM WASHINGTON Senator Cantwell. Thank you, Madam Chair. I will be brief this morning since we have so much on the agenda and we actually have a lot to consider. We will be considering the nomination of six senior officers in the Department of the Interior and the Department of Energy, and those offices are responsible for a wide range of important functions in both those agencies. I will have a number of questions for each of the nominees, and I am sure my colleagues will as well. Part of our task this morning is made a little more confusing by the action taken at the agency. We know what the two Under Secretaries did previously under these titles at the Department of Energy. We know that Secretary Perry plans to reassign some of their functions. But exactly how those reorganization plans will work and what these individuals will be doing will be of question. Also, I am concerned about press reports just yesterday that Secretary Zinke is reassigning some Senior Executives at the agency, including scientists involved in climate issues, to other unrelated positions, and I will have some questions about that as well. We also have Mr. Jonas here for his nomination hearing, and while we just got some documentation related to your time at the Defense Nuclear Facilities Safety Board, those have not been fully reviewed since we just got them either late last night or early this morning. We know that there was a dispute as you left there, and we will have questions in regards to that. So I greatly appreciate the Chair's willingness to ask for those documents. We just simply have not had a chance to review them. I know there will be lots of issues for all of these nominees this morning, Madam Chair, and I know we have a busy agenda here, so I will keep the rest of my comments and put them in the record. [The information referred to follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Cantwell. At this time, the rules of the Committee, which apply to all nominees, require that they be sworn in connection with their testimony, so I would ask you all to rise and raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give to the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? [Chorus of yeses.] Before you begin your statement, I will ask you three questions addressed to each nominee before this Committee. Will you be available to appear before this Committee and other Congressional committees to represent departmental positions and respond to issues of concern to the Congress? [Chorus of yeses.] Are you aware of any personal holdings, investments, or interests that could constitute a conflict or create an appearance of such a conflict should you be confirmed and assume the office to which you have been nominated by the President? [Chorus of noes.] Are you involved or do you have any assets held in blind trust? [Chorus of noes.] With that, please be seated, and we will proceed. Again, I think we have heard some good introductions, and I appreciate the comments from colleagues as they have introduced our nominees. So what we will do is just begin to my left here with Ms. Brenda Burman, to be the Commissioner of Reclamation, Department of the Interior. She will be followed by Susan Combs, who is nominated to be an Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Policy, Management, and Budget; Mr. Paul Dabbar, to be Under Secretary for Science at the Department of Energy. He will be followed by Mr. Douglas Domenech, to be an Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Insular Areas. Mr. David Jonas has been nominated to be General Counsel for the Department of Energy, and Mr. Mark Wesley Menezes has been nominated to be Under Secretary for the Department of Energy. I would ask that you try to keep your comments limited to about five minutes. I am pleased to have you introduce, again, any family members that you might have. We appreciate you coming before the Committee and your willingness to serve. Ms. Burman, if you would like to lead off, please proceed. STATEMENT OF BRENDA BURMAN, NOMINATED TO BE COMMISSIONER OF RECLAMATION Ms. Burman. Thank you, Chairman Murkowski, Ranking Member Cantwell, and members of the Committee. I am humbled and honored to appear here today as President Trump's nominee for the position of Commissioner of the Bureau of Reclamation. Thank you also, Senator Flake, for your kind remarks, for your kind introduction, and for your leadership and service to the Grand Canyon State and to the United States. Before I begin my remarks, I would like to recognize the members of my family who have joined me today. My parents, Tim and Pat Burman, are out of the country, but they are joining us online. And here in the room I have the Minnesota Burmans, with my brother, Mark; my sister-in-law, Linnea; my niece, Annika; and my nephew, Collin. They flew out on short notice to support me, and I'm very glad they're here. The Chairman. Welcome. Ms. Burman. I deeply appreciate the trust Secretary Zinke has placed in me by asking me to serve as Commissioner of Reclamation. I ask for your consent to the President's nomination. While I was born a westerner in California, my parents moved to Minnesota and then to New Jersey, all good places to grow up with lakes, rivers, woods, camping, hiking, canoeing, and in New Jersey, the shore. Through this upbringing I witnessed firsthand the importance of water in all its forms, from East to West, from lakes to oceans. I fell in love with the Southwest working for the Park Service, both in New Mexico and in the Grand Canyon, before going to law school. But in my career, I've been fortunate to work on many complex water and power issues across the West. In Arizona, my first meeting as a young lawyer in 1998 was a negotiating session for a Navajo and Hopi water settlement. I remember the tribal representatives. I remember the Department of the Interior and the Bureau officials and all the local stakeholders: ranchers, water districts, local towns, utilities. Hours and hours were spent by all of us trying to reach an agreement. In that case it did not come together, but it taught me a valuable lesson: as long as people keep working together, there is always hope it will work. I soon represented a party that was working to negotiate with the Zuni Indian Tribe and settling their water rights in Arizona for the Zuni Heaven Reservation. After four years of work and on my last day in private practice, the parties signed a settlement agreement. I left private practice to move to DC to work for Senator Kyl as his water and energy attorney. One of my first tasks was to support Senator Kyl in actually passing the Zuni Indian Tribe Water Rights Settlement. Knowing the tribe and the parties well, I was thrilled to see that settlement through the Congressional authorization process. The tribe, the Department of the Interior, and the parties back home then did the hard work to bring together everything needed to make that settlement effective. The Zuni settlement was relatively small, which served as great preparation for staffing the largest Indian water settlement in our country's history, the Gila River Indian Community, a tribe with significant land in the heart of the Phoenix metropolitan area, downstream from important ranching, farming, and mining operations, and nestled between the many cities of Arizona's largest metropolitan area. Senator Kyl gave significant personal time to bring the parties together, and I supported him as he fought for Congressional passage of the settlement. When it finally passed, it was one of the proudest moments of my career. What I learned from supporting Senator Kyl and working with all the parties to the Gila settlement, as well as the Central Arizona project settlement with the United States and the Tohono O'odham Nation Indian Water Rights Settlement, was how important it is to understand each party's needs and wants, strengths and weaknesses, and their political pressures back home. Water rights settlements take years of negotiation, they take years to secure Congressional passage, and then years to implement. You have to learn when to push, when to get out of the way, and at times where to draw the line. Cooperation and principled leadership are key. In 2005, I joined the Department as a member of President George W. Bush's Administration and was soon appointed to be Deputy Commissioner for External and Intergovernmental Affairs, the number two position at the Bureau of Reclamation. Later, I was appointed Deputy Assistant Secretary for Water and Science. With the Department and Reclamation, I was given the opportunity to work on issues directly impacting the Colorado River, as it affected all seven Basin states and the country of Mexico. This service took place in the form of negotiation and analysis of the 2007 Shortage Guidelines and as the Secretary's designee for the Glen Canyon Dam Adaptive Management Program. I worked on other difficult water issues across the West as well, including the Klamath Basin, the Central Valley Project, and the Rio Grande. After I left Interior, I worked for the Nature Conservancy in Arizona as their senior water policy advisor, working on Colorado and local river issues as well as forestry issues. From there I was hired by Metropolitan Water District of Southern California to work in their Sacramento office on, among other things, California drought, Bay-Delta matters, and Colorado River issues. I currently work for the Salt River Project Agricultural Improvement and Power District, which operates one of the oldest Reclamation projects in the country, providing water and power to the Phoenix metropolitan area. Collectively, I believe these series of experiences have prepared me to serve Secretary Zinke and the American people in facing today's top water challenges. If confirmed, I promise to perform my duties with integrity, I promise to provide the best informed advice possible to Secretary Zinke, and I promise to listen to and work with this Committee and Congress, to listen to and work with Western water interests, and to listen to and work with Reclamation's impressive employees who use their expertise every day to deliver water and generate power across the West. Chairman Murkowski, thank you for the opportunity to appear here before the Committee today. I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of Ms. Burman follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] The Chairman. Thank you very much. I appreciate your statement and your willingness to serve the Administration. Ms. Combs. STATEMENT OF SUSAN COMBS, NOMINATED TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR Ms. Combs. Chairman Murkowski, Ranking Member Cantwell, and members of the Committee, I am deeply honored to appear before you today as the President's nominee for the position of Assistant Secretary for Policy, Management and Budget at the Department of the Interior. President Trump and Secretary Zinke have paid me an enormous compliment by recommending me for this role. As Chief Financial Officer, I was, of course, tremendously honored by the very kind introduction by Senator Cornyn. I do have a member of my family here. My husband, Joe Duran, is here, and our three sons are, we hope, glued to an iPad or something else. I'm the fourth generation of my family to own and operate a ranch in the Big Bend area of Texas just up the road from Big Bend National Park. I not only learned how to ride, hunt, and shoot, but also that we had to be careful stewards of the land and to nurture it for the next generation. We are all proud of this national park and glad that nearly 400,000 visitors came to our part of the Chihuahuan Desert last year. This area is rich in history, flora, fauna, ancient artifacts, and a can-do spirit. This arid high desert teaches that you have to be self- reliant, innovative, and practical. I saw firsthand the devastating effects of the 1950s drought and the toll it took on the land and everyone connected to it. The ranch and its income were my father's only source of funds. He said you had to be as tight as the bark on the tree with your money, and I have learned that lesson well and have worked hard to apply this both on the ranch and in my years of public service, balancing needs with fiscal prudence. As Agriculture Commissioner in 2005 and '06, I was very fortunate to work with the great staff of Fish and Wildlife as well as with the military at Fort Hood Army Base in Central Texas. Through a very collaborative process, we worked together to assemble the Recovery Credit System, which the Service adopted to work for the recovery of the Golden-cheeked Warbler and the Black-capped Vireo while also assisting the Army in its national defense goals. We had a diverse range of partners: Environmental Defense Fund, Texas Nature Conservancy, Texas Parks and Wildlife, Texas Farm Bureau, Central Texas Cattlemen, and other agriculture partners. This project made it clear that a cooperative approach to a common goal could indeed produce good results for all participants. After being elected Comptroller in 2006, we had the chance to use a successful method again when there was a proposal to list as endangered the Dunes Sagebrush Lizard. Once again, the Fish and Wildlife Service was a great partner, along with various agriculture and ranching groups as well as oil industry officials. The result was the Texas Conservation Plan, which was approved by the Service. Its development was a long and complex process but resulted in a success for the species and the region. I was touched and surprised when I received the Regional Director's Conservation Partnership Award in 2014 based on that recent work. The position for which I have been nominated would, should the Senate confirm my nomination, allow me to work across a broad swath of budget, management, and policy areas in order to advance the mission of the Department and that of Secretary Zinke. I believe that my prior eight years as Comptroller of the State of Texas have given me the tools and the ability to analyze, understand, and consider in an open and transparent manner how we are going to achieve this mission. Secretary Zinke has talked extensively about enhancing human capital as well as maximizing the public's access to the nation's land and resource heritage. From a fiscal perspective, lessons that I learned in spending and purchasing can be utilized at the Department. Secretary Zinke has also mentioned a large maintenance backlog that must be addressed. I would hope to find ways to enhance revenues as well as trim costs. While Comptroller, we were able to save nearly $400 million by just revising the state's procurement processes. This Department has a mission covering the entire nation and, if confirmed, I will work to ensure the success of the President's and the Secretary's goals for the Department, and I will do so in an open, bipartisan, and collaborative manner for these vital natural resources. As a former legislator, I have a keen appreciation of the constitutional roles and responsibilities of the Legislative Branch and very much appreciate the opportunity to appear before you today. Thank you, and I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of Ms. Combs follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] The Chairman. Thank you, Ms. Combs. I appreciate your commitment on several different levels, and it is nice to have you here. Mr. Dabbar, welcome to the Committee. STATEMENT OF PAUL DABBAR, NOMINATED TO BE UNDER SECRETARY FOR SCIENCE, DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY Mr. Dabbar. Thank you, Chairman Murkowski, Ranking Member Cantwell, and members of the Committee. It is an honor to be here today. I thank you for the productive meetings with you and your staff as we prepared for this hearing, and I appreciate your insights that were given to me on the important topics about energy both in your states and in the nation. I would like to thank the President and Secretary Perry for their trust and confidence in me for this nomination as Under Secretary for Science at the Department of Energy. If I have the honor of being confirmed by this body, I look forward to working with all of you on the important items that the nation faces in the energy sector to meet our energy needs. I would like to introduce the most important individuals in my life, and that is my family members who are here today. Behind me is my wife of 17 years, Andrea, and my kids, Will and Katie. I appreciate them being here and giving me the opportunity to serve again. Also here are my brother and his wife, and his guidance throughout my life has been very important to me. And also here are friends of mine from my hometown in Oklahoma and my classmates from the Naval Academy. If my nomination is confirmed by this body, this will be the third time I will have sworn to support and defend the Constitution. The first time was when I was 17 years old when it was Induction Day at the U.S. Naval Academy. I felt a strong desire to serve based on the experience of my family: my mother, who joined the Foreign Service from a small town in North Dakota right after World War II, and my father, who came to this country to escape political oppression. The second time was when I was commissioned as an ensign in the U.S. Navy and joined the nuclear submarine force, and I had the honor to serve in many interesting and sensitive operations, including a deployment to the Arctic where I helped lead teams supporting the Arctic Laboratory as they deployed solar-powered environmental monitoring stations. Since my time in the Navy, I have worked at J.P. Morgan's investment bank for the last 21 years. I had an opportunity to lead energy sector investments and transactions in all 50 states and around the world. These include all major areas including renewables, oil and gas production, mining, efficiency, and the electric grid, as well as significant volumes of global nuclear work. As a result, I have gained experience with energy technologies both in research and development, many of which started in various research laboratories before being deployed. As a result of my technical and investment experience, I was appointed by then Secretary Bodman and reappointed by the subsequent Administrations' Secretaries of Energy to the Department of Energy Environmental Management Advisory Board. Accordingly, I have traveled to much of the DOE Complex and visited both science and engineering program sites as well as environmental management sites. Through this I have developed a keen understanding of the breadth, opportunities, challenges, and skills of the people who work in the DOE Complex. This is a very exciting time in the energy sector. Over the past decade, technological developments have accelerated significantly. Some of those amazing developments in the applied area include significant improvement in wind turbine efficiency, solar PV installed costs, battery storage, carbon capture, and microgrids. In the areas of fundamental science, opportunities exist for significant leaps in machine learning and artificial intelligence as well as exascale computing and quantum information science. The opportunities are significant, and the Department is in a unique position with the world's leading researchers and physical plant capabilities to help drive that progress for the nation. I will ensure that our continued leadership and knowledge and technology will help spur economic well-being for our nation and our fellow citizens. So I have approximately 20 years of private energy experience and 20 years of service to the Department of Defense and the Department of Energy. I believe I bring a strong mix of public and private sector experience required for this position because of my energy industry engineering expertise and management depth and skills. With your kind consideration of this nomination, I can assist the Department of Energy and the nation to move forward the bounds of what we can accomplish together. I thank you again for the opportunity to be here, and I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of Mr. Dabbar follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] The Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Dabbar. Mr. Domenech, welcome to the Committee. STATEMENT OF DOUGLAS W. DOMENECH, NOMINATED TO BE AN ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR Mr. Domenech. Chairman Murkowski, Ranking Member Cantwell, and the members of the Committee, I am deeply honored and humbled to appear before you today as President Trump's nominee for the position of Assistant Secretary for Insular Areas at the Department of the Interior. I am also deeply grateful to Secretary Zinke for recommending me to the President for this important position. And I especially want to thank Congresswoman Radewagen, of American Samoa, for her gracious introduction. Joining me this morning are members of my family: my wife of 38 years, Jeanne, whom I met in forestry school; my son Ben, who worked at one point in the office of Senator John Cornyn; and my daughter Emily, who is the Energy Subcommittee Staff Director for the House Science Committee. My daughter, Florence, was unable to attend today, and my son Ellis could not attend as he is currently deployed in the war on terror. As you know, the Office of Assistant Secretary for Insular Areas coordinates federal policy for the U.S. territories of American Samoa, Guam, the Virgin Islands, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands. In addition, the Office is responsible for administering and overseeing the U.S. federal assistance to the Freely Associated States of the Marshall Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, and Palau. The Office also manages nine little-known American territories with no permanent populations, like Palmyra, Baker, and Howland islands. I am truly honored and thankful to have received the endorsement of the four territorial Governors for this nomination: Governor Moliga, of American Samoa; Governor Torres, of the Northern Mariana Islands; Governor Mapp, of the Virgin Islands; and Governor Calvo, of Guam. I would also like to thank all of the Congressional delegates from the insular areas who have each taken the time to meet with me before this hearing. I appreciate their input and, should I be confirmed, I look forward to working with each of them moving forward. I regret that my parents could not be here to witness this moment. Unfortunately, both have passed away and are buried in Arlington National Cemetery. My father, born in Santurce, Puerto Rico, spent his career serving our country in the United States Army. In many ways, my father's service to the country brings me here today. Like many military families, we moved around the country with each new assignment. As a native Spanish speaker, my father's deployments were often to Latin America, so we lived in Panama, the Dominican Republic, and Puerto Rico. In fact, while attending Antilles High School in Puerto Rico, I took my first trip to the Virgin Islands. I was playing defensive end on my high school football team, and we flew to the island of St. Thomas to play against their high school team. We lost. In fact, we lost every time we played the Virgin Islands team. After receiving my college degree in forestry and wildlife management from Virginia Tech and undertaking a career in that field, I had the opportunity to serve in the George W. Bush Administration in a number of positions at the Department of the Interior. During that time, I was asked by then Secretary Dirk Kempthorne to serve as his appointee to the Advisory Council for the Conservation Trust of Puerto Rico and later as Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary for Insular Areas. That appointment gave me the opportunity to work on issues and travel to Guam, the Virgin Islands, and the Mariana Islands. These visits afforded me the occasion to work on health care capacity issues, foreign worker policy, invasive species concerns, and the unique challenges of affordable energy on the islands. Of special note, I had the unique assignment to lead a U.S. Geological Survey volcanologist team to the remote northern island of Pagan to investigate its energy potential. After the end of the Bush Administration, I was honored to be selected and confirmed as Virginia's Secretary of Natural Resources. In that role, I oversaw six state environmental, recreation, and historic resource agencies and worked with the Governor to improve the health of the Chesapeake Bay, achieve the best year on record for clean air, build oyster and blue crab populations, and reintroduce elk into Southwest Virginia. We invested in land conservation and worked with Virginia's 11 state-recognized Indian tribes to permanently protect historically significant Werowocomoco, the Indian village of Chief Powhatan. These experiences together bring me before you today. The people living on these remote islands face unique economic, national security, and environmental challenges. Our fellow Americans should feel confident that the U.S. Government will help address these concerns. If confirmed, I pledge to work with the members of this Committee to do just that. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Domenech follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] The Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Domenech. Mr. Jonas, welcome to the Committee. STATEMENT OF DAVID S. JONAS, NOMINATED TO BE GENERAL COUNSEL OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY Mr. Jonas. Thank you and good morning. Chairman Murkowski, Ranking Member Cantwell, distinguished members of the Committee, thank you for considering my nomination to be the General Counsel of the U.S. Department of Energy. It is a privilege to be considered and an honor to appear before you today. I also want to thank those Committee members and staff who have met with me in the weeks leading up to this hearing and for sharing your insights about how we can work together, if I am confirmed, to make America more energy-secure and to fulfill DOE's legal obligations, as well as other commitments, to clean up nuclear waste sites that date back to the Manhattan Project and the Cold War. Let me also express my appreciation to President Trump and to Secretary Perry for the confidence they have placed in me and for asking me to serve in the Administration. I especially want to thank my wife, Tina, who has been by my side for the last 23 years and is here with me today. I want to thank her for her love and support. And I would also like to take a moment to thank my parents, a special thank you to them, who are unable to be with us today. I'm hoping that they are maybe watching remotely. Last, I thank my friends and colleagues and even two former supervisors who are with us here today for showing their support. I'm truly honored. The responsibilities of the General Counsel include providing legal advice and counsel to the Secretary and senior departmental officials to ensure compliance with applicable laws and regulations. The General Counsel also leads the outstanding career staff of lawyers and legal support personnel at DOE. I come before this Committee with more than 30 years of professional legal experience in the military, the Federal Government, and the private sector. My experience includes more than 20 years as a Judge Advocate in the United States Marine Corps, followed by almost a decade as a career member of the Senior Executive Service. I have been the General Counsel of two federal agencies, the National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) as well as the Defense Nuclear Facilities Safety Board. These positions are relevant to the position you consider me for today. NNSA represents a major part of the operating activities of the DOE, and as the General Counsel of NNSA, I worked in close cooperation with the DOE General Counsel, two of whom have written letters of recommendation to the Committee on my behalf, one Democrat, who happens to be here, and one Republican. The Defense Board advises the Secretary regarding public health and safety issues at DOE defense nuclear facilities. In terms of legal practice, I have extensive litigation experience at the trial and appellate levels. I was privileged to become the first uniformed Judge Advocate in the history of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps to argue a case at the U.S. Supreme Court. I have also negotiated numerous international agreements in the nuclear realm, including the U.S.-India Civil Nuclear Agreement. I have previously rendered advice to government officials covering the waterfront of federal legal issues including international law, government contracts, appropriations, administrative, legislative, personnel, ethics, labor, and environmental law. I have expertise in national security law and nuclear nonproliferation law, which I taught at Georgetown and George Washington University law schools for more than a decade. Some recent press articles point to a writing of mine from more than two decades ago. The opinion piece was about women and homosexuals serving in the military. It was a reflection of the time it was written and does not reflect my current views. It's important for each of you to hear this directly from me, that my views have evolved. A lot has changed since that was written, and I believe the change has been for the better. As a Marine, I have the utmost respect for anyone, no matter gender, race, or sexual orientation, who is willing to serve our great country. Since these proceedings don't always allow for the opportunity to know us personally, I wanted to share my personal commitment to serving the Department and the men and women who would be my colleagues if I'm honored to be confirmed. If confirmed, I will bring all this experience, including the experience of changed minds, to bring to bear as the DOE General Counsel, and will diligently apply and faithfully observe the laws passed by Congress. Chairman Murkowski, Ranking Member Cantwell, and members of the Committee, thank you again for the opportunity to appear before you today. I appreciate the Committee's consideration of my nomination and, if confirmed, look forward to working with you and your colleagues as well as the Committee and personal staff. I welcome the opportunity to answer any questions that the Committee may have. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Jonas follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] The Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Jones. Mr. Menezes, welcome to the Committee. STATEMENT OF MARK WESLEY MENEZES, NOMINATED TO BE UNDER SECRETARY OF ENERGY Mr. Menezes. Chairman Murkowski, Ranking Member Cantwell, distinguished members of the Committee, and personal staff, thank you for scheduling this hearing this morning and taking time from your busy schedules to be here. Thank you to those who have met with me prior to the hearing to present your views and recommendations on how we can improve the Department. These meetings have increased my appreciation about the Department and the importance of its missions and priorities. It is an honor and I am humbled to be the President's nominee for Under Secretary of Energy. If confirmed, I look forward to working with this Committee, Secretary Perry, and the dedicated workforce at the Department serving the American people. Joining me for the hearing are my family and friends, without whom I would not be here today. Sitting behind me, my wife, Dr. Yun-hyang Lee, my inspiration for public service as the Division Chief of Interpreting Services at the State Department; my daughter, Paige Jennings, a former Barrow and Carper Senate staffer, now an attorney here in town; and Will Cho, a businessman from New Jersey. Unable to be here are my daughters Stephanie Cho, a biomedical engineer in Tokyo; my daughter Marisa, an attorney advisor for the Social Security Administration in Baltimore, another public servant; my brother Lewis, from Texas; my sister Donah; grandniece Miss Jolie; Mr. Kayden, my grandnephew; my sister-in-law Cheryl; and other family members and friends who have been supportive over the years and share in my honor are here or are streaming the hearing live at various places throughout the country. And the person most responsible for my life's achievements, my mother, a retired public school teacher, Doris. The Chairman. We welcome them all. I think we have a full family complement today in the Committee, and that is great to see. [Laughter.] Mr. Menezes. Thank you. As described by Senator Cassidy, this will not be my first time in public service. Being in this grand committee room, I see former colleagues, and I am reminded of our work together on the Energy Policy Act, referred to by Senator Cassidy. It was a comprehensive energy bill that has helped shape our nation's energy policy in many ways and put in place several programs in existence today at the Department. It was the work of several Congresses begun by then Chairman Frank Murkowski and then Ranking Member Jeff Bingaman, refined by subsequent Congresses, and finally enacted under the leadership and dedication of Senators Domenici and Bingaman, and House Chairmen Billy Tauzin, who was here early this morning, Joe Barton, and Ranking Member John Dingell. I recall late in the evenings we would gather in Senator Domenici's small office off the Capitol Rotunda, and frequently we would have breakout sessions in the Capitol dome to work out the very difficult issues and prepare issues to bring to the Congress that we could not work out. To this day, when I see the light at the top of the Capitol dome shining above the Mall with its grand monuments gracing our nation's capital, I see a symbol of what can be accomplished with bipartisanship, collaboration, and dedication to working together to serve all Americans. The bill was not perfect; we didn't get everything right. Subsequent Congresses changed it, multiple agencies have promulgated rules interpreting and implementing it, and courts have decided the fate of several of its provisions, but it was a product of our system of government working as it was designed, with all three branches doing their part. That experience of understanding opposing views, creating options, and developing solutions will serve me well at the Department should this Committee approve my nomination and the Senate confirm me. I have learned valuable lessons working for several of our nation's largest utilities: Central and South West, which merged with American Electric Power, and, most recently, my time with Berkshire Hathaway Energy. These positions provide a shared experience of managing collectively almost $150 billion in energy assets, over 38,000 employees, and serving over 17 million customers in almost half of our states. I gained management experience of large corporations with diverse workforces, worked to accomplish stretch goals under budget, faced the challenges in today's competitive energy markets, embraced the 24/7/365-days-a-year obligation to meet customer demands for affordable, reliable energy, and gained an understanding of the regulatory labyrinths of state commissions and the several federal agencies that regulate energy companies today. These corporations trained me in leadership and management styles and how to plan, set goals, and measure performance. At Central and South West, I learned the Grid Management system that trains leaders to cultivate a culture of empowerment so all employees contribute in the pursuit of goals. This training calls managers to promote the best in leadership and empathy, essentially teaching us the most important lesson that not one of us is smarter than all of us, and that plans to achieve goals must be constantly critiqued and evaluated with set measures of success. At Berkshire, I recently participated in management training in the ``3-G Way,'' which emphasizes treating people with greatness, fulfilling dreams, and instilling a culture of shared values. Goals are achieved through a constant process of planning, acting, measuring, and correcting. Performance is systematically improved through ``gap'' analyses to ensure goals are being achieved. This training and experience I will bring with me to the Department, should I be confirmed. As others have said before me, these are exciting and challenging times to be in the energy space. Evolving, innovative technologies, many developed at our national labs and the Department's R&D programs, have improved the quality of all aspects of our lives, not just energy, but communications, transportation, science, health, and the environment. Indeed, in my professional career I have experienced the march of technological developments through the establishing prototypes of early wind and solar projects in West Texas to the more recent technological advancements installed by Berkshire's MidAmerican Energy in many of its wind projects across Iowa, making Iowa second only to Texas in wind production. Members of the Committee, I wish to thank you again for allowing me to be here today. It is indeed an honor to come before the Committee, and I ask for your favorable consideration of the President's nomination. I look forward to hearing your questions to learn more about the challenges facing the Department. And, Chairman Murkowski, I would like to express a thanks for having received letters of support from the Solar Energy Industry Association, the American Wind Energy Association, the American Council on Renewable Energy, as well as the Geothermal Association, and there are several other letters in the record of support. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Menezes follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] The Chairman. Very good. Thank you. At this time, we will proceed to the first round of questioning for our nominees before the Committee. Ms. Combs, let me start with you. I can't ever have discussions with my colleagues from Texas before we start talking about the size of our respective states---- [Laughter.] --but one of the things that is very unique between the two, and I am always very envious when I think of Texas, is most of the lands in Texas are not held under federal ownership, unlike Alaska, where some 63 percent are under federal management. And we say a lot back home that the Department of the Interior is effectively our landlord. One of the things that I think made Secretary Zinke's visit so positive back home was he said, ``I don't think I like the landlord description, I like the partner description.'' We would certainly hope that you adopt that same view and perspective. But truly your challenge, one of them, as I see it, is to oversee the management of over 245 million surface acres and over 700 million acres of subsurface mineral estate. Over one- fifth of it is in my state, which again means that even some seemingly simple decisions made here in Washington have a great deal of impact on us. So give me just very quickly your view, your understanding, of the role between state and local governments as well as other stakeholders in terms of the role of management on our public lands because this is important to us on a host of different levels. So if you can speak to that aspect of your role as well as what it means from the permitting process and how states like Alaska can most effectively access some of the resources that are on our lands. Ms. Combs. Thank you, Senator, for that question. I'm going to reuse the word ``partner'' and I think add to that collaboration and conversation, and I think the picture you laid out of the amount of land that you have that you obviously would like to see used and maintained and having access to, Secretary Zinke has talked about responsible use and also engaging with partnerships. So whether it is tribal communities or whether it is cities and counties, local governments, I certainly believe in that. I have used that collaborative approach on the endangered species issues I referred to in my opening remarks. But I think that the issue I'm also aware of from your staff is about the transfer of some lands and the selection process, and that is something I very much am eager to help you and Secretary Zinke move that forward. I know it's been quite a long time. So thank you. The Chairman. Well, I appreciate that. There is a recognition that there have been a lot of promises that have been made to Alaska on statehood and to Alaskans, whether they be Alaska Native veterans or Native allotments, promises made that have yet to be delivered on, so we look forward to working with you on that. I want to ask a question about the Arctic Energy Office, and this is for you, Mr. Dabbar and Mr. Menezes. Right now, in the Appropriations markup going on with Energy and Water, the bill includes language that we included that supports a renewed focus on the Arctic region, and it encourages the Energy Department, as a cross-cutting activity, to use the Arctic Energy Office as a centralized area to support the use of energy resources and innovative activities. So I'm looking for a commitment from you, gentlemen, to come to Alaska to see the opportunities that we have to produce the energy, our need for affordable energy, but also how the focus on the Arctic and the utilization of the Arctic Energy Office can continue. Mr. Menezes, do you want to comment on that? Mr. Menezes. Thank you very much for that question. That was precisely one of the questions that we talked about with your staff, and we appreciate very much you making your staff available to us. But we discussed at length the office and the needs of the Alaskans. And indeed you have my commitment that, should I be confirmed, that we will look very seriously at that and work with Congress to ensure that we have adequate resources to reestablish that office, as I think it had been in existence before. The Chairman. Correct. I appreciate that. Mr. Dabbar. Mr. Dabbar. Thank you, Senator, for the question. I have a reasonable amount of experience with Arctic energy issues. I fully appreciate in particular remote villages that have harder access to energy and the importance of that, and the amount that technology can improve the opportunity for energy. I welcome the opportunity to visit your state again, hopefully this time above the surface of the water. [Laughter.] The Chairman. We look forward to that as well. Senator Cantwell. Senator Cantwell. Thank you, Madam Chair. I know how important this hearing is, but I am almost--there is just so much to talk about, so much for each of you and each of your positions. There are a couple of broad things that is kind of striking to me this morning. One, we have this issue with the Department of Energy as it relates to Secretary Perry saying he wants to reshuffle some things. And then over at Interior, we have the Secretary, who is basically saying, ``I'm reassigning some people who are in charge of science.'' So it is a lot of confusion and, in my sense, a lot of undermining of science. For me, in the State of Washington, our big concern is Hanford cleanup--making sure that Hanford gets cleaned up and that we have people dedicated to that mission. So, Mr.--it is---- Mr. Menezes. Menezes. Senator Cantwell. ----Menezes, first I wanted to ask you because under Secretary Moniz, he tasked the Under Secretary with various management functions, including the Environmental Management program responsible for Hanford cleanup. He also made the Under Secretary responsible for the Environmental, Health, and Safety program, which is responsible for protecting the cleanup. Secretary Perry has indicated he plans to reassign those functions, but he has not told us how. What is your understanding of what your role is to be at the Department? Mr. Menezes. Thank you very much, Ranking Member Cantwell, for that question. The first question that I got from your staff when we met was in fact this question. And, of course, it arises out of the fact that we, back in '05, had created the Under Secretary for Science. You know, it's expected of any incoming administration, of course, to review the organization and management of the past administration and to make changes where necessary, but also to continue things, you know, in existence. The naming of the Unders, of course, is consistent with historical practices going back to 2005 and as statutes define them. But it's the current organizational nomenclature that's the historical anomaly. But, so---- Senator Cantwell. Okay. I'm sorry I have to interrupt because of the overwhelming amount of people that are here and these are important questions. So are you going to be responsible for Hanford cleanup? Is it going to be your responsibility? Mr. Menezes. On day one---- Senator Cantwell. Do you understand the moral obligation here and the size and scope of the largest nuclear waste cleanup site in the entire world and the billions of dollars we spend annually on trying to achieve this goal? Mr. Menezes. Yes, I do. Senator Cantwell. Okay. So you---- Mr. Menezes. On day one, it will be under my management. Senator Cantwell. Okay. You have been told by the Secretary that is the case. Mr. Menezes. I have not had direct conversations with the Secretary on this at all. I have not been briefed on this, but it is my understanding that on day one I will assume the Under Secretary for Management and Performance as currently in existence. Senator Cantwell. Mr. Dabbar, what is your understanding of your role and responsibilities, and where are you on the urgency and critical importance of making sure there is adequate funding for Hanford and Hanford cleanup? Mr. Dabbar. Thank you, Senator. I fully appreciate the importance of this to your state and to the nation. As someone who has worked in the nuclear power industry both from an engineering and from an investment point of view for my whole adult life, I fully appreciate that. In addition to that, I've been to the Hanford Reservation many, many times, more times than I can remember, visiting both the National Lab and the full EM Complex as well as Columbia Generating Station. So I think I have a very good understanding of the urgency. I understand the moral imperative associated with what Hanford accomplished during World War II and subsequently during the Cold War and the obligation of the nation to clean it up. I have a very keen understanding and sympathy for the Tri-City area and some of the obligations both morally, but also legally, under the Tri-Party Agreement. In my position, as Under Secretary of Science, clearly I will run the science complex, Office of Science. As a restructuring might move things around, and once again, I have not been fully briefed, I feel I bring full skill sets and appreciation in particular on the science side of technology. I have a full appreciation for the requirements of the Tri-Party Agreement and the requirements, in particular the tank farm that technology is going to be needed that has not been produced in order to meet the requirements of the Tri- Party Agreement. Senator Cantwell. And what about worker safety? Mr. Dabbar. I completely have a very strong feeling around vapor point and around other things that have come up, the PUREX incident that just occurred. Once again, as an operating nuclear engineer, I have a full sympathy to make certain that safety is paramount for an organization, certainly in the nuclear waste complex. Senator Cantwell. Well, I know my time has expired, Madam Chair, but this is such an important issue. It is not just for Washington, it happens to reside in our state, and we do have a Tri-Party Agreement, but I think everybody in this nation deserves an answer on how this is going to be managed and who is going to have what responsibilities. Every OMB director takes a stab at trying to redo this as well and comes up with an idea that they want to foist on all of us, and then all of us, as the oversight committee, try to make sure that the actual cleanup and the funding is there. So I just cannot imagine moving forward without having clarity. But I so appreciate your depth and knowledge on that subject, and thank you for the commitment on the worker safety as well. Madam Chair, I am going to come back to this. These subject matters are so important and so broad and so in-depth, and I am sure my colleagues feel the same way. I will come back to the rest of the witnesses on the second round. The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Cantwell. Senator Gardner. Senator Gardner. Thank you, Madam Chair. And thanks to all the nominees who are here today. Thank you for your willingness to serve, and welcome to your families. Ms. Combs, I apologize that we ended up missing yesterday's meeting. Lunch with your new boss took a little bit longer than I think any of us anticipated at the White House yesterday. I wanted to just visit with you a little bit about the effort that I have been leading to move the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) headquarters to the Western part of the United States. Of the 248.3 million acres of public land managed by the Bureau of Land Management, 248.2 of that 248.3 million acres are located west of the Mississippi River--it is over 99 percent of the land located out West. There is no question that having some headquarters located in the West could result in better policies for our tribes, ranchers, constituents, recreationalists, and energy producers. I would just like to get your commitment that, if confirmed, you will work with me to make moving the BLM headquarters to the western states a reality. Ms. Combs. Thank you, Senator. You, of course, have my commitment. I've seen those numbers before. And Secretary Zinke has also talked about, you know, fielding the folks where the land is and the fielding is, and I'm sure that he will be visiting with you as well. But I look forward to visiting with you about that. Senator Gardner. Thank you very much. Northwest Colorado had a naval oil shale site that needed cleanup, and that cleanup was finished a few years ago. The fund that was generated within the Department to collect oil and gas mineral revenue in the area to assist with the cleanup contains revenue that needs to, by law, be returned to Colorado. Members of the Colorado Congressional delegation have been trying to get this returned to our state for years. With this new Administration, I would like to work to get this situation rightfully addressed. Will the Department look to find ways to return this money to Colorado, as the law says? Ms. Combs. Yes, Senator. Your office briefed me on that yesterday. I think the sum is $77 million. And I certainly, the minute, if I'm confirmed, I will be calling you on the phone. Senator Gardner. Thank you. And if it must be done legislatively, I would hope that you would make it a priority to ask Congress to assist. Can I get that assurance? Ms. Combs. Yes, sir, you do. Senator Gardner. Thank you. Thank you. Ms. Burman, we had the opportunity to visit not too long ago talking about water issues. We talked about the Arkansas Valley conduit, which was approved by John F. Kennedy, signed into law by John F. Kennedy, but still not built yet, something that we will continue to work on. We talked about the need for permit reform so that it does not take a decade-plus to build water storage projects when we know in a state like Colorado we are just a few decades away from needing $15 billion worth of water storage projects, and we have to find a way to help meet the needs of future growth, industry, municipalities, and agricultural to make sure that we can get that. But I wanted to focus on something that has happened more recently in states like Colorado and Montana. In the most recent farm bill a couple years ago, Congress authorized a pilot program for the production of hemp. Unfortunately, the ability for farmers in Colorado to move forward on hemp production has been stymied and in other states has been stymied because they are using water which may move through federal facilities to grow these crops. Earlier this week, I joined with colleagues from Colorado, Montana, Senator Daines, and in Oregon to introduce legislation that would allow for the production of hemp using federal water so long as it complies with state law. I would just like your commitment to review the Bureau of Reclamation's policies toward hemp production to ensure states' rights when it comes to water are properly respected. Ms. Burman. Senator, thank you again for meeting with me this morning. I appreciated having our discussion about water supply, about the Arkansas conduit. I commit to you to going back, if confirmed, and taking a look at that legislation and working with you to see what we can do. Senator Gardner. Yes. Thank you. And, again, I think it is very clear in federal law, whether it is the Supreme Court precedent that states' primacy over water right determination should hold. And so I believe this is a matter of state right and state water law that should be supreme. Mr. Dabbar, a question for you on the role of science. I want to make sure that I am clear on just how you view science overall, how you view something like DOE's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE) and the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, if you would. Mr. Dabbar. Thank you, Senator. And thank you for the conversation I had with you and your staff on the importance of that site in your state, but also the importance for it for the nation. Clearly, the Lab, the Renewable Lab, in your state is at the forefront of a lot of development on technologies about wind and wind modeling around PV and new different types of technologies around PV production as well as batteries and storage. It is obviously very important. The amount of growth in renewables that the private sector is growing in those areas is at very high rates, and the importance of that to our nation that can translate from research into manufacturing so that the maximum amount of those sort of resources that are made in this country as a production basis are manufactured here. So I look forward to hopefully coming to visit the site and learning more about the specific programs and hopefully be an advocate for those programs. Senator Gardner. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Gardner. Senator King. Senator King. Thank you, Madam Chair. You mentioned Texas and Alaska. When I was up with you for the field hearing in Alaska, I remember a t-shirt that had a picture of Alaska, and Texas was in the middle, and the title was ``Poor Little Texas.'' It was a---- [Laughter.] I wish I had brought it. I should have brought it back for you. The Chairman. [Off microphone.] [Laughter.] Senator King. You are very generous. For those of you who have mentioned that this hearing is streaming, I can tell you that is not an unmixed blessing. On Tuesday morning, I made a presentation down here that was streamed. I talked to my wife last night and said, ``How did it go?'' She said, ``I watched it on streaming. The second half was good.'' It was a kind of qualified praise. [Laughter.] So you have to be careful with streaming. Mr. Dabbar, I was doing some research on your background. I must say I saw some of the most colorful comments about your skills, two I cannot resist mentioning. You were characterized as ``one bright cookie.'' I like that one. But the one I really liked is, ``There ain't no such thing as a stupid nuclear Navy guy.'' [Laughter.] So I congratulate you on those, I think, high compliments. [Laughter.] Ms. Combs, the Department of the Interior needs to talk about the National Park Service. And what concerns me is that there is a very big backlog, as you know, of maintenance aside from roads. I believe the total backlog is about $11 billion, but the roads are about $5 billion so we are talking about $6 billion, and yet in the budget that has been submitted this year, the Park Service is cut by 11 percent. How do you plan to deal--briefly, because I have a limited amount of time--how do you plan to deal with the backlog of maintenance in our national parks which are more and more popular every year? Last year Acadia National Park had named, just from '15 to '16, a 20 percent increase in visitors. Ms. Combs. Thank you, Senator. That is obviously a very important issue for Secretary Zinke as well. I was not a part of creating the budget, I'm not at the Department, but I will commit to working with you to find ways, for one thing, to increase revenues as well as reduce costs. I know that the national parks are a giant economic driver in the communities where they are located. The public loves to visit them, which is why I mentioned the 400,000 people just running down the road near me. This is important---- Senator King. It's 3.2 million at Acadia in Maine, 3.2 million visitors at Acadia in Maine, so---- Ms. Combs. Yes. And it's very, very important, and I look forward to working with you and ensuring that we have a good process in place to reduce and get rid of the backlog, the $5 billion. Senator King. Now, to our three nominees for the Department of Energy, budgets represent policy. In 2017, Congress appropriated funds for various offices in the Department of Energy. The budget that was submitted by this Administration cuts energy efficiency and renewable energy by 70 percent; electric delivery and reliability by an unbelievable 40 percent; Office of Science at the labs, 17 percent; ARPA-E, a basic science research, 93 percent, essentially eliminated; weatherization, very important in my state, eliminated; state energy programs, eliminated. There was even a cut to the Energy Information Administration, which I just cannot believe because data is so important. Congress is not going to go along with those cuts. In fact, the Appropriations Committee is working on them right now. Here is my question to the three of you, and yes or no answers, you can do it in unison as we did it with your swearing in, I hope. If funded by the Congress and the appropriations process, will you see to it that these programs will be fully implemented and appropriated funds expended in accordance with Congressional intent? Mr. Menezes. Yes. Mr. Jonas. Yes. Mr. Dabbar. Yes, Senator. Senator King. Those were the right answers. [Laughter.] Will you see to it that these programs are adequately staffed in accordance with Congressional intent? Mr. Menezes. Yes. Mr. Jonas. Yes, Senator. Mr. Dabbar. Yes, Senator. Senator King. I appreciate your straightforward answers. Thank you, Madam Chair. The Chairman. Thank you, Senator King. Senator Flake. Senator Flake. Well, thank you. Sorry I had to go, but I enjoyed hearing, Brenda, your testimony and your introduction. With Reclamation, obviously, everybody knows the importance of water to Arizona. It is our lifeblood. And fortunately you have a lot experience--you mentioned your experience with Senator Kyl's office. Can you talk about the Indian water settlements and how important that is to states like Arizona and other Western states? Ms. Burman. Senator, thank you for raising that. I've been working on Indian water rights settlements my entire career. For Arizona and for the other states in the West, it's hard to explain how important they are. Indian tribal rights are often first in time, first in right, which means that they call into question rights that came after them. By negotiating, by settling these rights, by not going to litigation, you can come up with solutions that are good for all parties, and that's--I would like to say there has been a great history in Arizona of doing that. I think that's true across the West. I think that the best solutions come from collaboration, they come from negotiation, and they come from the parties coming together to settle those claims. Senator Flake. Well, I can tell you, as a Senator following Senator Kyl, it is a bit daunting, given the work that he has done on water and in particular with these Indian water settlements. As you say, they are vital because it gives some kind of certainty and surety moving ahead for not just the tribes involved but other water users as well. Obviously, the Colorado River is extremely important to Arizona, all the Lower Basin and Upper Basin as well. Can you talk about what needs are there with regard to the Colorado River going ahead that Reclamation is going to be vital to? Ms. Burman. The Colorado River, as you said, is the lifeblood to Arizona, but also to seven basin states and to the country of Mexico. I'll be working with Secretary Zinke, if confirmed, to prioritize our work on the Colorado River. The Secretary has a very special role under the 1928 Boulder Canyon Project Act as the water master of the Lower Basin. There are issues right on the table. There is an agreement with Mexico that expires this year. I'll work with Secretary Zinke, if confirmed, to work on reaching agreement with Mexico before the end of the year if at all possible. The states have been working together to address drought and possible upcoming shortages. They are working hard right now. I hope to be confirmed swiftly and to work with them and to step into the Bureau of Reclamation and to see what we can accomplish as quickly as possible. Senator Flake. There is a drought contingency plan being worked out now I understand. What role will you play there? Ms. Burman. If confirmed as the lead of Reclamation, I'll be Secretary Zinke's prime adviser on working with the Basin states and Mexico on coming to agreement on a drought contingency plan. Senator Flake. Why is that important moving ahead? Ms. Burman. The Lower Basin and the Upper Basin are looking at shortage. There have been 18 years of shortage on the Colorado River. The Upper Basin states have been working together to try and shore up to make sure that they can keep critical elevations in Lake Powell, while the Lower Basin states have been working together and with Mexico to make sure that they can maintain critical elevations in Lake Mead. Looking ahead and looking at shortage, this is a way to prevent the system from, some would say, collapsing. What you need to do is you need to keep Lake Mead at a healthy level so that it can serve all the states and it can serve the constituents and people can look ahead and plan for what the possible shortages could be. There are a lot of commitments on the table. I am not part of those discussions right now, and I haven't been, but I do look forward to joining those and to staffing and serving Secretary Zinke as we work those out. Senator Flake. Well, thank you. Obviously, it is important in Arizona. Some water users have voluntarily left water behind the dam at Lake Mead to make sure that those levels stay where they need to be before mandatory arbitrary levels are hit that nobody wants to see. We have been given a bit of a reprieve with a very wet winter, particularly further West, but with the Upper Basin, it has been pretty good. Lake Powell seems to be going up. How much of a reprieve have we been given with regard to Lake Mead? Ms. Burman. I am going to leave that to the experts. [Laughter.] It has been a wet year, and that has been a blessing. Senator Flake. Well, certainly we know that it is going to take a lot of very wet winters to get us out of the woods here, and that is why this drought contingency plan is so important, to make sure that we plan. Nobody likes to talk about shortages--I think we refer to them as imbalances on the river--but those are significant in the future, and it is going to take a lot of planning. I am glad you have brought the expertise to the table that you bring from a number of different angles, and so I am excited to see you there and look forward to working with you if confirmed. Ms. Burman. Thank you, Senator. Senator Flake. Thank you, Madam Chair. The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Flake. Senator Franken. Senator Franken. Thank you, Madam Chair. Welcome to all of you. And I would like to welcome all the family members here, but especially the Minnesota Burmans. [Laughter.] They seem to be a cut above the other family members here. [Laughter.] Mr. Jonas, I just want to thank you for your statement regarding the article you wrote 20 years ago on the role of women and LGBT and the military. I like that you wrote and testified, ``I will bring all this experience, including the lesson of changing minds,'' to your new job if you are confirmed. Thank you for making that statement. Mr. Domenech, prior to your nomination for this position, you led the Fueling Freedom Project at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a conservative think tank that receives funding from Koch brothers and ExxonMobil. Your job was to fight against any action that would reduce greenhouse emissions. Now, Mr. Domenech, you have been nominated to lead federal policy for U.S. territories, including a number in the Pacific and the U.S. Virgin Islands. These territories all happen to be islands in the Pacific and the Caribbean and are already seeing climate change impacts through rising sea levels, changing precipitation patterns, and ocean acidification. So I would like to better understand your views on the subject of climate change. The National Climate Assessment found that unless we take action, sea levels are expected to rise over three feet on average by the end of the century, possibly much more. Do you accept that view? And yes or no will do as an answer. Mr. Domenech. I'm not familiar--thank you for that question, Senator. I'm not familiar with that particular number, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not true. I do agree that the climate is changing and that man has a role in that, and especially for the islands, they are particularly vulnerable, especially the low-lying atolls and islands are very vulnerable to sea level rise. And I've committed to the Governors and to the delegates that I would work with them on that issue. Senator Franken. Well, you did write in an op-ed last year, and I quote, ``Is man making an impact on the climate? Perhaps, but in very small ways.'' Is that what you meant when you answered my question? Mr. Domenech. Yes, and thank you again for reminding me of what I wrote. My understanding of where scientists are today is that man definitely has an impact on the climate, and the question is just, is it catastrophic? How much of an impact do they have? And that that is---- Senator Franken. Is it your understanding that climate scientists say that man's effect on climate happens in a very small way? Is that your understanding? Because that's what you wrote. Mr. Domenech. Yes. I mean, I think---- Senator Franken. So, but that is at odds with about 97 percent of climate scientists. Mr. Domenech. Well, I would say to you, Senator, that the study that is cited on the 97 percent of climate scientists agree has been, my understanding, debunked in the past as a particular number, but I think the most---- Senator Franken. Really? Mr. Domenech. Yeah, that's my understanding of it. Senator Franken. That is your understanding. Mr. Domenech. That was their study. Senator Franken. What is your understanding based on? I am really curious about that. Mr. Domenech. Well, I've read--thank you again for that question. I've read reports---- Senator Franken. You are welcome. [Laughter.] Mr. Domenech. I've read reports that have looked at that particular study that said the 97 percent, and have indicated that there were flaws in that particular study, and I would be glad to follow up with you---- Senator Franken. Well, could you tell me right now what you are talking about, what studies you are talking about? Mr. Domenech. I can't off the top of my head, no. It's not something I dwell on. Senator Franken. Did you find these studies on the prestigious Internet? [Laughter.] Mr. Domenech. I find--yes, I understand your point. Senator Franken. Okay. Well, I find this very disturbing. If confirmed, you are going to be responsible for some vulnerable communities, these island communities. So given your history of downplaying or ignoring climate change, why do you think you are the right person to help these communities? Mr. Domenech. Well, I've--again, thank you for that question. I've--my whole life has been spent trying to help people who are involved in the environment. In Virginia, when I was Secretary of Natural Resources, 100 miles from here we have Tangier Island, which is probably a better example to use of a fishing community in the middle of the Chesapeake Bay that is experiencing erosion and sea level rise and impacting that community. We worked with them quite a bit in terms of reinforcing their shoreline and those kinds of activities with the Corps of Engineers. And so I take it very seriously. I don't at all minimize that the climate is changing, and I would only say that the head of the U.S. Geological Survey himself has said that we need to always keep in perspective that the climate of the Earth has always changed since the beginning of the planet, and it always will change. So we have to put that in perspective when we deal with these natural---- Senator Franken. Well, I think when we put that in perspective, we have to look at how it has changed since the Industrial Age and look at how it has changed and how the weather has changed in relation to the amount of carbon dioxide that is in the air. I believe you will see a correlation between temperature and the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Thank you. The Chairman. Thank you. Let's go to Senator Heinrich. Senator Heinrich. Thank you, Madam Chair. Ms. Burman, I want to start off with you, and I do want to say I find you have a very impressive resume. You have a broad array of experiences that I think you bring to this job, and you have a history of reliance on science and data. I want to start by saying frankly what worries me the most about the current Administration have been some of the expressions of disdain and distrust directed at science data and, in particular, scientists. Do you share any of that concern? And probably more importantly, what are you going to do to protect the Bureau's historic role as a science-driven, honest broker in water basin management? Ms. Burman. Thank you, Senator. In my past, when I worked at the Department, we continuously worked with the United States Geological Survey, with the USGS, to bring the best science possible to Reclamation and the interpretation of that science. We did that with climate change, we did that through the series of river gauges that exist over the United States that help the operators of water projects across the West be on the front lines and look at what's coming in the future. I am not with the Administration at this point, but I continue and I foresee continuing to work to make sure that Reclamation has the best science and the best understanding when moving forward. Senator Heinrich. If you were in a position where you felt like decisions might be made that were not in concert with the facts, with the best available science from USGS, how would you approach that? Ms. Burman. Senator, Secretary Zinke is putting his trust in me to lead Reclamation, and he's putting his trust in me to give him independent advice, and I'll call it as I see it. Senator Heinrich. Thank you. Mr. Menezes. Mr. Menezes. Yes. Senator Heinrich. One of the things I continue to hear about is the need for additional funding at the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) to recapitalize critical infrastructure. I hope you are aware of the issue over the last couple of years, the accident, the recovery from that accident; I suspect you are. But WIPP is now reporting a backlog of roughly $25 million in critical upgrades to key fire safety systems, instrumentations, and infrastructure. Having been through that experience, having seen WIPP shut its doors, I just think safety has got to be the absolute number one critical priority above all else for our DOE workers. I want to know if you are committed to finding the resources to make sure that WIPP cannot just operate, but operate safely. Mr. Menezes. Thank you, Senator, for that question. I have not been fully briefed on that; however, when meeting with your staff I said that one of our number one commitments, of course, would be worker safety at all of the critical sites, and certainly at WIPP, and we'll continue that commitment. Senator Heinrich. Well, I just want to reinforce that it is great to say that, and I trust that you mean exactly what you say, but we have had situations like the accident at WIPP that we simply, I think in the Complex, cannot tolerate. We cannot put people in those positions. When you make a compact with a state and with a community, part of what goes along with that, as the Carlsbad community is accepting this true waste from all over the country, all over the Complex, is that we have to make good on our side of that bargain, which is to make sure that those workers absolutely and always work in a safe environment. So I look forward to working with you to make sure that we make good on those promises. Mr. Menezes. Senator, you have my commitment to be a strong advocate for worker safety. Senator Heinrich. Mr. Dabbar, is the climate warming? Mr. Dabbar. Senator, the climate is absolutely changing. And I appreciate the question and the sensitivity to it. And I appreciate that, if I understand correctly, as the only engineer in the Senate, that I would love to work with you on this topic. Senator Heinrich. I do not want to throw my colleague from Montana under the bus, he is a chemical engineer, and we still count those. So there are a couple of us. [Laughter.] Do you concur that human activities are driving that? And, more importantly, what should we do about it? What are you going to do about it at DOE? Mr. Dabbar. Senator, thank you for the question. I absolutely agree that humans are contributing. My job, as Under Secretary of Science, should I be confirmed by this body, is to provide the data and to provide the technology for policymakers and appropriators to properly make decisions. My job, as a manager and focused on operations, is to execute on the appropriations. And as appropriated, I will absolutely go and spend those resources to provide you, the rest of the Senate, and the nation with the data and the technology for you to make those decisions. The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Heinrich. We will now turn to Senator Lee. I have to excuse myself to go down to an Appropriations Committee hearing. Senator Hirono will follow Senator Lee. My hope is that we will have other members coming in and out and I will be able to get back before we run out of questioners. But if in fact that is the case, I certainly will have more questions for the record. Again, remember that we will leave the record open until close of business today. Senator Lee, thank you for helping out here. Senator Lee [presiding]. Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Thanks to each of you for being here and for all you do. Ms. Burman, I would like to start with you if possible. I would like to bring to your attention a problem that we have been having in connection with the Flaming Gorge Dam which is, of course, in Northeastern Utah. The dam is located on the Green River, and it is one of four units in the Colorado River Project. Among a lot of functions that this particular dam performs, the dam regulates water flow, it controls flooding, and it provides recreational opportunities and a lot of related economic benefits to all the communities that are in place downstream from it. In 2006, the Bureau of Reclamation decided to operate the dam using an adaptive management approach. The approach was supposed to give the Bureau more flexibility in managing flow and flow releases in order to protect fish that were endangered. Although well-intended, that decision ended up having some dire consequences for some of the downstream communities. For example, in 2011, an ill-timed flow release at the dam during a period of particularly high spring runoff caused flooding along the river, resulting in many millions of dollars of property damage. Additionally, increased release volumes have severely hampered the tourism, outfitting, and fishing industries, all of which are pretty important essential economic pillars of these communities, and a lot of the impact on this has, of course, hit those who are least able to absorb it. State and local leaders are understandably anxious to resolve the problem. Earlier this year, a group of legislators sent a letter to the Bureau of Reclamation requesting to work collaboratively with the Bureau on a long-term solution that will ensure that local interests are not drowned out by their efforts to help fish. So if confirmed, Ms. Burman, will you commit to listen to state and local leaders and work with them to find a reasonable, workable solution to problems like this? Ms. Burman. Senator, I will. Your staff was kind enough to give me some background on the issues facing Flaming Gorge Reservoir, and when confirmed, I look forward to learning more, to working with Reclamation and with your staff to understand it better. Senator Lee. Thank you. I appreciate that commitment very much. Ms. Combs, Secretary Zinke has emphasized the importance of restoring trust between the American people and the U.S. Department of the Interior. This is, as you can imagine, especially important for many millions of Americans across the Western United States who feel ignored during and as a result of major land management decisions that have a tendency to disrupt their lives and their livelihoods in a somewhat unique way. I appreciate Secretary Zinke for the steps that he has already taken to restore trust among people in Utah, such as his listening tour through San Juan County in Southeastern Utah and his interim report to the President dealing with the Bears Ears National Monument, but there is still a lot of work to do. Ms. Combs, if confirmed, what role will you and your office play in helping to restore trust between the American people, particularly those most affected by decisions made by the Interior in places like the western United States and the Interior Department? Ms. Combs. Senator, thank you for that question. I think Secretary Zinke did, of course, discuss trust a number of times. He also talked about being sure that the federal personnel are actually near where some of the actions are taking place, and he really does want to be sure that the field offices are out there and that they're working in an open, collaborative, cooperative way where people really at all levels, whether it's city, state, county, local, et cetera, are talking with the Department of the Interior. And I would very much welcome the chance to work with you if I am confirmed. Senator Lee. Thank you. Mr. Dabbar and Mr. Menezes, I would like to direct my next question to both of you. You both have experience in the private sector, and you know that there are always difficult decisions to be made when you are investing limited resources. The last few decades have seen a lot of significant developments in the energy sector, but we have seen a lot of new ventures fail in that area as well. This is a good thing and actually a healthy thing, it is a healthy part of the process of innovation. In a free market, investments flow to the most promising technology, the most useful technology, but when government intervenes and supports a particular technology that happens to be politically favored, it has the potential to distort markets and discourage investment and other potentially more beneficial technologies. So if confirmed, what can each of you do to make sure that the Department of Energy is not using taxpayer dollars to pick winners and losers in the energy sector? Mr. Dabbar. Thank you, Senator Lee, for the question. And I fully appreciate given my both public and private sector experience in capital allocation across the energy industry, certainly, in my position as Under Secretary for Science, my primary focus will be to execute on the capital or the appropriation, to use either word, that's assigned by this body. Obviously, the Administration focuses on basic research, and there is obviously a tremendous amount of basic research opportunities within my potential area. I will execute, once again, on whatever is assigned, and I will make certain that that capital, whether it's in basic or applied, will be spent prudently. Senator Lee. Mr. Menezes. Mr. Menezes. Thank you, Senator. And to add to what my colleague said regarding appropriations, we will stand by ready to follow the intent of Congress on these things. You know, we're in an all-of-the-above position here. My company, Berkshire Hathaway, my experience there is you don't really pick winners and losers; you develop projects where you can to provide affordable, reliable service. In this case, renewables are developing very well. But having said that, there was a time when I recall that Congress passed a Fuel Use Act, which one of my companies was 100 percent natural gas, which then forced us to go to coal. So I have shared experience in that, and I will bring a commitment to ensure that taxpayer dollars are spent as Congress intends. Senator Lee. Thank you. Senator Cortez Masto. Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. Welcome. Please excuse me for coming in and out. I have three committees going on at the same time, but I thank you for your willingness to serve. And welcome to your very large families. [Laughter.] It is nice to see everyone. So I only have five minutes. I am going to just ask a couple of questions here, and I will start with Mr. Menezes, is it? Mr. Menezes. That's correct. Senator Cortez Masto. And Mr. Dabbar. Geothermal energy is one of the fastest growing industries in Nevada. In 2013, there were 29 geothermal power plants operating in 9 of Nevada's 17 counties. The Nevada Department of Energy has estimated that at least 6,000 jobs will be created through geothermal energy investment. The proposed cuts to DOE will not provide for adequate funding for the Geothermal Technologies Office to continue researching geothermal energy innovations. Do you believe investments in geothermal energy should be prioritized? I will ask both gentlemen, Mr. Menezes and Mr. Dabbar, whoever wants to start. Mr. Menezes. Thank you very much. You have my commitment to be a strong advocate for spending the monies as sent to us by Congress, as directed by Congress, that we will follow the intent of Congress there, and particularly with geothermal. Both with my company's experience and my own personal experience with geothermal, it is indeed a very dynamic area. It's even becoming baseload in many instances. So it's an exciting time in the technological advancements with geothermal, and you certainly have my commitment to be a strong advocate for fully funding the geothermal activities following the will of Congress. Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. Mr. Dabbar. Thank you, Senator, for the question. I agree with everything that my colleague, my hopefully future colleague, answered. I would just add that I've done a significant amount--I have investment experience in Nevada. I know that the largest geothermal company in the United States is headquartered in Reno, and I have personal experience with them. So I completely agree with that commitment, and I know that Nevada is a leader in this area. Senator Cortez Masto. Thank you. I appreciate those commitments. So let me ask Ms. Combs an additional question with respect to geothermal power, because the Administration budget repeals the 25 percent share of revenue distribution for geothermal royalties that is provided to many of our rural counties. These royalties provide up to 10 percent of revenue. Do you agree with repealing these payments? And isn't this a promise to rural areas like those in my home state? Ms. Combs. Well, thank you for that question, Senator. I, of course, have not been at the Department and taken a look at this. I'm actually a big fan of geothermal, and I will not say that I've seen it here, but I went to Iceland, and how much power they do is just extraordinary. And so I'm sort of an all- of-the-above person, so whether it's wind, solar--I've got solar pumps on my ranch. I've seen geothermal. We don't--we're hot, but we're not that hot. [Laughter.] As well as, of course, support for gas. Senator Cortez Masto. Fantastic. Three out of three, I will take it. Being from Las Vegas, that is great odds. [Laughter.] Thank you very much. Let me ask, Ms. Burman. Thank you, first of all, for coming to visit with me. I really appreciate the conversation. There was one thing I did not get to talk to you about, and I know you are just getting into the office, but just let me put it out there. If you have the opportunity to respond or you want to look into it further, I also understand. The Bureau of Reclamation has determined that the Boca Dam in Nevada needs safety modifications. Typically, under the Safety of Dams Act, 15 percent of the costs incurred by the modifications are reimbursed and allocated to the, quote, ``authorized purposes'' of the structure. Boca Dam's authorized purposes, per our Truckee River Operating Agreement, does not fit well under the Act's definition. So as Commissioner, do you think you would support an amendment to the Act to reflect a broader set of, quote, ``authorized purposes'' so that Boca Dam can apply under the statute to help expedite important safety modifications? Ms. Burman. Senator, I'm familiar with the Safety of Dams Act. I'm not familiar with the issues that are facing Boca Dam, but I do commit to working with you, with your staff, and to going back and working with the Department and Reclamation to understand it better and to work with you. Senator Cortez Masto. I appreciate that. And then, just in general, renewable energy obviously is an important part of our future in Nevada and across this country. The current budget administration--Trump Administration--wants to cut a number of the budget implications that would have a positive impact on renewable energy in this country. I hope I can work with all of you to not only continue to promote, fund, and support innovation research in this area, but I am looking forward to that collaboration. So I appreciate it. I know my time is up, but I thank you for your willingness to serve and being here today to answer all these questions. Senator Lee. Thank you. That completes the first round. I do not have any additional questions so starting on the second round, we will go to Senator Cantwell. Senator Cantwell. Thank you. Thank you, Senator Lee. Ms. Burman, we had a chance to talk about all of the Bureau of Reclamation projects and our philosophy and ideas and the challenges that we are facing. Our colleagues have had a chance to ask you a few questions on this, but I wanted to ask you specifically about collaboration and your experience. Obviously, the Yakima Basin Project is one of these examples. Do you think this is the path forward for us to get more work done on very, very thorny water issues in the West? Ms. Burman. Senator, I've been working on thorny water issues for 19 years now, and where I've seen victories and I've seen accomplishments, they've been accomplished through collaboration and working with the local communities. I'm just starting to learn about the Yakima Project. I've always heard that it's a project that's shown collaboration and has a lot of respect. I look forward to learning more about that. But absolutely, I think where projects work, where you fix issues, where you untie some of those thorny knots, is through working with everyone on the ground. Senator Cantwell. Okay, thank you. Ms. Combs, obviously, in your new job, you will have oversight over a lot of individuals within the Department of the Interior. I mentioned earlier in my opening statement that Secretary Zinke has reportedly ordered the reassignment of as many as 50 Department Senior Executive Service members. They are people who have special skills and extensive knowledge from the jobs that they have held, and they are being removed or given unwelcome reassignments. One of these individuals was revealed in the Washington Post this morning. You could say that he was a whistleblower--and is being reshuffled within the organization. So I, obviously, want to get answers to this, but I wanted to hear what your thoughts are on making sure that, as someone who would oversee these individuals, what are you going to do to protect the SES, Senior Executive Service, at the Department, these members, and make sure that they do not just get arbitrarily reassigned just because someone else does not believe in science? Ms. Combs. Senator, thank you for that question. I obviously have not been part of any decision-making in the Department, but I do understand the role of the Assistant Secretary for Policy, Management, and Budget. And I know that-- I believe I've been told that SES folks are supposed to be mobile, to add to their resumes. With respect to the particular matter you described, I don't have any information, but I certainly, if confirmed, will look forward to working with you on that, but I don't have any particular---- Senator Cantwell. But you are aware of it? Ms. Combs. Somebody sent me a press release, a comment, this morning. That's the first I had heard of it. Senator Cantwell. Okay. Well, I am concerned enough that I intend to ask the Inspector General to look into it. As my colleague from New Mexico was talking about, the importance of science across both of these agencies is critically important, and so we need to make sure that those individuals who have the experience, who are involved in science, are going to continue to fulfill those responsibilities. There are always reorganizations at an agency, but making sure that people are there to fulfill the mission and that the people who have those experiences are not being reassigned simply because they have those experiences, so that someone, say, more political but without science experience, comes in to take their job. So I will definitely be asking the Inspector General to look into what the Department is doing. I would hope that you would take this as a very important message that we consider this, from an oversight perspective, a very important subject. Ms. Combs. Thank you, Senator. Senator Cantwell. Thank you, Senator Lee. Senator Lee. Thank you. Senator Cortez Masto, do you have any additional questions? [No audible response.] Senator Lee. Senator King. Senator King. Just one follow-up. Mr. Domenech, I was interested in your exchange with Senator Franken on climate change. You and I could spend a lot of time discussing it. I would just commend to you an analysis of CO2 in the atmosphere since about 1850, the inauguration of large-scale burning of fossil fuel. It has gone up from the band that it occurred over the last million years from about a maximum of 180 to 200, 300 parts per million to 400, a place it has not been for five million years. The coincidence of that rise in CO2 and the rise of the burning of fossil fuel is unmistakable. I would just like you to take a look at that data from Mauna Loa in Hawaii and other ice core data. I would be glad to provide that to you. Secondly, you may see the results of this in your jurisdiction because some of the islands you are responsible for may well disappear on your watch. I would suggest one interesting step in your stewardship of this responsibility would be to immediately, upon taking office, ask the residents of the islands in the Pacific to mark the main high water mark today, and then have it checked on the day you leave office. My guess is there will be a noticeable change. This is one of the most serious challenges facing our country and our world. I hope you will, as we have had one of the witnesses already testify, take the occasion to look at the data and open your mind to change. Thank you. Mr. Domenech. Thank you. The Chairman [presiding]. Thank you, Senator King. Mr. Menezes, I want to bring up an issue that we discussed with Secretary Moniz when he was Secretary of Energy, and this relates to the Office of Energy, Indian Policy and Programs. It is one of the smaller DOE offices, but it also accounts for all of DOE's employees in Alaska, both of them. We have two. [Laughter.] Two. For a considerable period of time, it was down to just one. I was home last weekend and was at church and ran into the one gentleman that has basically been holding down the fort all these years. When Secretary Moniz was in the state with us when we went out to Oscarville, he made the commitment that, yes, we have to address the issues with regard to the Office of Indian Energy and make sure that we are doing all that we can to help the communities, not just in Alaska, but around the country, to be more energy-sustainable. And the commitment was, ``Look, we've got to have at least three.'' Well, we are not to three, we are sitting at two. And it is not typical for me to be pushing for more employees, but you have one-fifth of the--excuse me--one-half of the tribes in the country that are in Alaska. We have extraordinary energy potentials within the state, and certainly opportunities within the microgrid systems, again ways that we can reduce our reliance on fossil fuels in these high-cost areas. So I need to know whether you support the Office of Indian Energy and will work with us to make sure that these offices have the support that they clearly need in order to do what will help benefit not only those in rural parts of Alaska, but rural parts of our nation as well. Mr. Menezes. Thank you, Senator, for that question. I certainly support the Office of Indian Energy, going back to 2005, when we put it in the bill, and today my commitment continues. Alaska continues to be a unique place, not only for the tribes that it serves, but also for R&D for our labs. So we look forward to working with you with that, and you have my commitment to be a strong advocate for the Office of Indian Affairs. The Chairman. Well, we really need that commitment. Again, we need the commitment to make sure that we have the resources on the ground to really help these small communities. I want to broaden the question a little bit and include you, Mr. Dabbar, with regard to microgrids. As folks know on this Committee, our grid system, our energy grid system, is pretty much limited to the rail-built area. When you have over 80 percent of your communities that are not connected by road, that also means that they are not connected most times by any kind of an energy intertie. How can we take steps to again reduce reliance on diesel generation, because that is how many of these smaller communities are powered. Senator Cantwell came with me when we had a field hearing in Cordova, Alaska, and it was an opportunity to focus on what I think are some of the exciting prospects when it comes to microgrids, those things that we can do to really help integrate our renewable energy sources to bring down costs, to provide greater reliability. It is an area that I get excited about. It is an area that I think not only Alaska should be leading on, we are pioneering in so many of these ways. I am curious as to how you might structure a more comprehensive research program in microgrids to leverage the assets that we have within the Department and the expertise that we have, whether it is within our universities or whether it is what our local communities have, because we clearly saw that level of expertise at that field hearing. So how can we do more when it comes to our opportunities with microgrids? This impacts not only us in Alaska, but certainly our friends in Hawaii as well that are in the same type of structure. Mr. Dabbar. Thank you, Senator, for the question. I have quite a bit of experience, not in the Arctic, but in microgrids in Hawaii, in Texas, in California. What's truly exciting is that the technology changes that have taken place both on the renewable side as well as in the natural gas side and in storage has been dramatic in the last few years. The amount of--the ability for economically advantaged production of generation on a microgrid scale has jumped from not being very viable economically without some incentives to actually working without incentives in many places. And clearly Hawaii is one example of that, being a bit unique, but in many other areas of the country, even in Texas, I've seen microgrids and distributed generation work very well. I am not familiar with all of the work that the labs have done in this area, but I know the technology is there, and I know that it is economically viable, and it was not as economically viable just 5 or 10 years ago. So you have my commitment that I will dig into what the resources are and the research in this area at the Lab Complex, and I look forward to progressing that even further. The Chairman. We will invite you all up to Cordova and Oscarville and parts in between. Senator Hirono. Senator Hirono. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Dabbar, as you know, during your tenure at J.P. Morgan you worked directly with Hawaiian Electric Industries (HEI). In fact, I just heard from Connie Lau, who is the CEO and President of HEI, in support of your nomination. As you know, of course, Hawaii has relied on imported fossil fuel for 90 percent of our energy production in the electricity area. Thanks in large part to the technical assistance provided by the Department of Energy and its world-class scientists and engineers, Hawaii has been making real progress shifting to sustainable, locally produced, renewable energy with the goal-- the most ambitious goal of any state in the country--of attaining 100 percent electricity from renewable sources by 2045. This is why I was shocked to see the President drastically slashing funds for the Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy program and eliminate the State Energy Program, something that Senator King has also talked about. If confirmed, you will be charged with overseeing DOE's world-class research and development capabilities at the labs, and I, of course, would want to work closely with you to build upon the progress Hawaii and DOE have made on renewable energy. Let's assume that we will restore the funding of these drastic, terrible cuts, will you commit to working with me to find ways to help achieve its renewable energy objectives? Mr. Dabbar. Thank you, Senator. I fully appreciate everything that you just said. I have lived in Hawaii a couple times in my life, both when I was growing up in Japan and coming to Hawaii and going to Punahou, as well as in the Navy and in the commercial area. I have a great degree of sympathy for aina and how renewables fit, and not even all renewables fit perfectly at all points in each county. I know exactly which type of renewables at which time with familiarity with Punahou and others. So I have a great degree of general understanding, having been on the ground and the sort of things that you're dealing with. Senator Hirono. So your answer would be a strong yes. [Laughter.] And whatever we can find in our collaboration with regard to Hawaii will have application to other jurisdictions, and I would say particularly to the island nations in the Asia Pacific area. Mr. Domenech, it was a pleasure to meet with you yesterday. In your role in administering the Compact of Free Association (COFA) with Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau, your position, as far as I am concerned, is very important because these areas often get neglected. I am looking for someone who is going to be a real advocate for our compact friends to whom we have an obligation, and we have not always lived up to our obligations. I just want to reconfirm with you that we will work together to keep our COFA commitments, including providing relief to affected states such as Hawaii, because our COFA citizens go to certain states more than any other states. We have seen some 15,000 COFA citizens coming to Hawaii, and we discussed their health care needs and other needs that impact Hawaii more than any other state in the country. Thirty million dollars a year for compact impact assistance to states like Hawaii is woefully short of what we actually need, so I would want to have your commitment that we will work together to keep our COFA commitments. Mr. Domenech. Yes. And thank you for taking the time yesterday to meet with me. And you do have my commitment. Senator Hirono. Thank you. For Ms. Combs, Hawaii is the endangered species capital of the world. Hundreds of our native plants and animals, which are very important to Hawaiian culture and our way of life, are threatened and endangered and require federal protection. Your critics claim that while you were Comptroller in Texas, you limited protections for endangered species and viewed them as a threat to the economy, referring to listings as, quote, ``incoming Scud missiles,'' end quote. As Assistant Secretary for Policy, Management, and Budget, one of your duties will be to serve as the agency's Chief Financial Officer, and this includes being a steward of the financial resources for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, one of two federal agencies that administers the Endangered Species Act. As Assistant Secretary, I would like your commitment that you will support the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's important duty to administer the Endangered Species Act to protect species in Hawaii and across the U.S. Ms. Combs. Thank you, Senator. I do believe that my past work on the Dunes Sagebrush Lizard and the Golden-cheeked Warbler, and Black-capped Vireo, and the great relationship that I had with Fish and Wildlife are important. Former Fish and Wildlife employee Dale Hall sent a letter in, he's the CEO of Ducks Unlimited, and he said that we had a wonderful working experience. I absolutely--you have my commitment that I will work with you and follow the law always. Senator Hirono. Madam Chair, if you do not mind, I just have one short question for Mr. Jonas. I am glad that you noted that your views, as expressed in the op-ed that you wrote in 1993 expressing some positions relating to women serving in the military as well as homosexuals in the military, were I would say even for 1993, pretty extreme. You noted that your views have evolved and I would like to know, was there some experience that you had that caused your views to evolve? I am concluding that you no longer hold these kinds of discriminatory views with regard to women serving in the military and homosexuals in the military, but was there something that happened that you no longer hold these kinds of extreme views? Mr. Jonas. Thank you very much for the question, Senator. I do, of course, stand by my opening statement, but I wouldn't say that there was a particular event, but my views did evolve. And I would certainly refer you to the fact that one of the interns that I hired in my office when I was the NNSA General Counsel was, clearly from his resume, gay, and he also, to show his leadership abilities on his resume, noted that he was the president of the student college Democrats. I hired him because I thought he was the best qualified individual, and I gave him good work to do, we have a great relationship. I have supported his career, as he has moved forward, with providing him recommendations for a number of positions. As he has moved up--as a personal matter, one of my goals is to help people grow and advance, and I'm not concerned whether they're men, women, gay, Jewish, Catholic, it doesn't matter. I want to help people as a personal goal, and that's what I do. That's what I did for that individual, and I no longer hold the views expressed in that article. Senator Hirono. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Hirono. Ms. Combs, I want to ask a quick question about PILT, Payment in Lieu of Taxes, that the Department of the Interior administers and, of course, is a very, very important program. Looking at the President's budget, the FY18 budget proposed funding PILT through discretionary dollars. Can you just give me some information in terms of how you think the Administration might be able to secure stable, long-term funding through mandatory spending for the program? This is something that so many of our local governments, particularly our rural governments, rely on, and whether or not you think making any additional categories of lands, whether it is military or Indian lands, possibly eligible for PILT, and if so, why? I just want to get a sense from you on where you think we can go with PILT, because this is something that the Ranking Member and I talk a great deal about--not only PILT but Secure Rural Schools--and you would clearly have the oversight on the PILT side of it. Ms. Combs. Thank you, Senator. I'm familiar with PILT. Brewster County, where my ranch is, is the largest county in Texas, and the town I'm nearby has 450 people. And PILTs are very, very important when you take land off of the tax rolls, whether it's forest or whatever, the obligation of the government, of course, through PILT is to reimburse them. And I know from an education perspective, or county repairs, whatever, those are important. I obviously was not involved in the creation of the budget, but I also am well aware, having submitted my own budgets before and then working with the Appropriations Committee, that things get changed in the process. And so I look forward to working with you to ensure that these rural communities, which are so important all across the country and in Hawaii and in Alaska and everywhere, that they not be forgotten, that they be paid and compensated for that loss of revenue. The Chairman. Well, I look forward to working with you on this. I know that the Chairman of the Finance Committee and the Ranking Member--Senator Hatch and Senator Wyden--have been keyed in on this, and we have certainly as well. But it is something that we would like to get some certainty on because, as you note, particularly for these smaller communities, these payments are significant as part of their budget goes. Senator Hirono, I am glad you asked the question of Mr. Domenech about where we are with some of the compacts out there. The Palau agreement is one--the agreement to extend that financial assistance has been unfulfilled now for about seven years, and as you point out, there is a commitment there. But we keep coming back to, well, we cannot find the funding. At some point in time, we have to make good on the promises and the commitments. I am not going to ask you if you have any ideas, but I need to have your commitment that you will work to find that necessary funding so that we do make good on these promises, on these compacts. Mr. Domenech. Yes. If I'm confirmed, I will work with you and the Committee to try to find these funds. My understanding is the $123.9 million compact impact funding--or compact funding is in the NDAA in both the House and the Senate, so we're moving along. The Chairman. It is not there until it is there. I recognize that. [Laughter.] Mr. Domenech. It's an authorization, not a---- The Chairman. That is exactly right. Let me ask you one more question, and this relates to the CNMI workers permit program, the CW permit program. This is one where I have had some ongoing discussion with folks. They are seeing economic growth in CNMI, and we applaud that. We see it particularly in the tourism sector; but the law sunsets that program by 2019, and there is a great deal of concern that the ability to find the available workers, to abide by the law, to make it all knit together within the timeframe is going to be very challenging. Do you have any familiarity with this permit program, and do you have any suggestions in terms of how we might address this upcoming deadline here? Mr. Domenech. I appreciate that question. I need to be briefed on that. I have personally not been involved in any of the Insular Office issues on purpose because I felt like it was inappropriate, but I am aware of the issue that they're having quite a challenge with workers, and we need to figure out a way to fix it. The Chairman. Well, it is significant. Again, we talk about payments that come to the states, the payments that we are responsible for to our territories. I think at the end of the day the best solution for so much of this is if they have stronger economies, then things are working within these islands. But making sure that the policies that we have in place are helping to assist build those economies rather than dragging them back is something that we need to be working on and doing that together. Senator Cantwell. Senator Cantwell. Thank you, Madam Chair. I wanted to ask you, Ms. Combs, obviously in your role in Texas you know a lot about royalty rates. One of the things I find surprising is Secretary Zinke recently decided to cut royalty rates paid by oil and gas leases in the future on offshore sales from 18.75 percent down to 12.5 percent. I think your rate in Texas is much higher than that? Ms. Combs. Thank you, Senator, for that question. I'm not familiar with the matter that you talked about, but I know that in the private sector in Texas, generally people get about 25 percent royalty rate, just about. It used to be 17, 18, 20, and now that it bumped up in the Eagle Ford and Permian Basin to about 25. I don't know what the offsets are, though. I don't know to what extent things such as transportation or other embedded costs are removed. It depends on the particular lease that people have. And this is something I will certainly take a look at, but I'm not familiar with it right now. Senator Cantwell. Okay. We definitely want to make sure that we get a fair deal for the taxpayer and that royalties obviously are reviewed and updated. We have concerns on the coal side that we feel like it has not been reviewed and assessed in a while as it relates to impact, so we want to make sure that we do that. I look forward to working with you on that issue. Ms. Combs. Absolutely. Senator Cantwell. Mr. Jonas, I was struck by your comment. You said that you thought someone was gay by their resume? Mr. Jonas. Thank you for the question, Senator. Yes, this individual made it very clear. He was very proud of being gay, and he made it very clear on his resume that he was a member of a number of LBGT groups. I believe that he did that--I think he told me he did that because he wanted it known, and he was very proud of that. Senator Cantwell. Okay. So he communicated that to you. I just wanted to make that clear for the record. Mr. Jonas. Yes. Senator Cantwell. He communicated that to you. Mr. Jonas. That's correct. Senator Cantwell. It is not like you looked at a piece of paper and made an assumption about someone. Mr. Jonas. That's correct, Senator. Senator Cantwell. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. The Chairman. Thank you, Senator Cantwell. Senator King, any further questions? [No audible response.] Well, I have no more that I will include right now. I will probably submit a couple for the record. We have a vote that is supposed to be starting right now at 12:15. Thank you each for being here. Thank you for giving us this time this morning and allowing us to learn more about you and your qualifications and your interest in serving this Administration and our country. We appreciate the support of all of your families. I think that we all know that we cannot do nearly the job that we need to do without the support of those around us, so we thank you for being part of this morning's hearing. We look forward to the process moving forward. With that, the Committee stands adjourned. [Whereupon, at 12:16 p.m., the hearing was adjourned.] APPENDIX MATERIAL SUBMITTED ---------- [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]