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                          BEACON OF PROSPERITY

  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the Speaker's announced policy of 
January 3, 2025, the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Schweikert) is 
recognized for 60 minutes as the designee of the majority leader.
  Mr. SCHWEIKERT. Mr. Speaker, tonight is going to be a little thick, 
so I apologize to everyone, but we are going to actually try something 
a little bit broader. We are going to actually play economist.
  I am going to try actually to walk through three or four themes here 
of why what we must do is so difficult, why it absolutely has to 
happen, and the truth about the math. Let's have some fun here.
  Since I know everyone around here is a genius and we spend lots of 
time reading difficult things, I am sure every Member of Congress got 
their hand on the latest McKinsey report that came out a few days ago 
that actually walked through in beautiful detail what is happening in 
the industrialized world with the lack of young people. Okay. Let's 
walk through this.
  Idiots like me have been coming behind this microphone for almost a 
decade talking about the morality of prosperity. I don't care if you 
are on the left or right, but having a society that grows and 
becomes prosperous and becomes more and more productive and can provide 
better things is moral, but, also, why is it so hard?

  Look, this was done by our own CBO, taking updates from the data from 
the Census Bureau. In 8 years, the United States has more deaths than 
births. Last year, we had 17 States that had more deaths than births.
  Okay. If Members read through, the term now has become ``absence of 
young people.'' There is lots of crazy discussions. There are entire 
books. I have all these things on my shelves about natalist policies 
and how many countries have tried to encourage higher fertility rates, 
and all failed. There really is no success in the entire world.
  They have been able to move forward some of the fertility rates 
spiking up, and then they go back and fall back to the mean. It is the 
nature of wealth. It is the nature of modern societies, but then my 
colleagues come to me and say: David, you are on Ways and Means, 
chaired the Joint Economic Committee, so all of these economists work 
for you. Show me how we are going to have 3 percent GDP growth every 
year.
  I can show Members how to do it. I just need my colleagues to 
understand that the United States is better off than so many countries, 
but the fact of the matter is we are having fewer children than 
countries like France.
  In 8 years, we have more deaths than births. Remember the first year 
of economics class where they walked through the formula and said, 
well, population growth, then capital expenditures for plant and 
equipment that are more productive, then spikes in technology. That is 
how the wealth of a nation is built. We are losing one of the things.
  When people like me walk behind these microphones, my colleagues need 
to hear coming out of their mouths: I am willing to actually deal with 
the reality of how do we make capital investments in equipment that 
makes us more productive? How do we encourage the synthetic biology 
that makes us not only live longer, but able to survive and do well and 
enjoy life? How do we actually deal with not being fearful of AI and 
artificial intelligence, but use that to make this another American 
century? I can't make the math work without the adoption of labor 
substitutes.
  I am going to actually show something here that seems to make people 
mad when I get to it. Let's wait, I am going to actually make a pitch 
that what are the two extraordinary privileges of this country?
  Okay. Members are going to hear monetarists come behind the 
microphone all the time and say that people want to use the U.S. dollar 
and that people must use the U.S. dollar to borrow, to trade in, and to 
hold assets.
  As an economist, what is actually more valuable than having the world 
reserve currency is that smart people, entrepreneurs, and people with 
wealth want to invest their lives, their time, and their talents in the 
United States.
  We hold the two greatest extraordinary privileges from a worldwide 
economist. We have to start understanding the math and what we are up 
against because it is not us.
  Start to take a look at what is going on. I know some of these charts 
are almost impossible to read, but the basic point of many of these is 
we have all talked about, in a couple of years, all of the baby boomers 
are 65 and up, and we have this huge population bubble.
  We hate to say this because we get booed at our townhalls when we say 
this: The fact of the matter is, in the next 10 years, almost 100 
percent of U.S. debt is interest and the growth of the cost of 
Medicare.
  How many years have we known that baby boomers were going to turn 65? 
It has been 65 years, but we didn't plan for it. We didn't set it 
aside. One thing we weren't ready for as a society is, in 1990, 
fertility rates started to roll over.
  As the McKinsey report goes up and down, it is the absence of young 
people. Now make an economy grow.
  Some of the points I am going to try to make here is this one. I need 
people to think. There was the kerfuffle last week when Elon Musk and 
some of the others got into the H-1B visas, bringing talent into the 
country. I am actually not even sure I liked the H-1 process. I would 
like to move maybe to a talent-based system.
  The entire industrialized world is going through things very similar 
to us. China's numbers look--it is the craziest charts you are ever 
going to see. It is like a boom.
  In the 1970s and 1980s, the world competed for hydrocarbons, oil. We 
remember the oil.
  The last decade, we sort of battled for where we could have supplies 
of rare earths. Some of the smartest economists who actually do 
demographics are now saying that the industrialized world is going to 
knife each other for smart people.
  Now, maybe a smart person is the great carpenter or the synthetic 
biologist, but we need to start being honest with each other that my 
colleagues want us, particularly my economic team, to say: Build us 
ideas. Build us a plan. As we get ready to do reconciliation, do the 
things that provide us the growth so we can still be Americans, that 
sort of beacon of prosperity.

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  Mr. Speaker, you have to understand that, in 8 years, there will be 
more deaths than births.
  Are we going to be willing to do very difficult things and move to a 
talent-based immigration system that doesn't care about your race, your 
gender, who you cuddle with, or anything else? It cares about the 
talent.
  I have actually done entire presentations here where I have shown 
that what happened at the border over the last 4 years will make the 
working poor poorer in this country. It is math. It is not my opinion. 
I am not demagoguing. It is math.
  In part of our society, we have what is called the quartiles. I sort 
of despise that term. It is people who didn't graduate high school, so 
what they do economically is sell their willingness to work. They go 
out and hang drywall. They bust their backsides, and then, tomorrow, 
they are competing against millions of other people with the same skill 
set. Look at how our economy works and the fact that, let's be brutal, 
populations under a certain income will receive services from our 
society because we are a compassionate society.
  When you start to see a talent-based immigration system, you have 
people here because of the productivity they bring to society. It turns 
out that when you look at their career, they pay a boatload of taxes 
and actually help us grow. We need to deal with the math, and the fact 
of the matter is, we look over and over at these things.
  I am just using Japan because it is easy. Japan has almost 300 
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debt-to-GDP, but it is a unique society because their corporations, 
their individuals, actually finance almost their entire debt, where the 
United States is chewing up much of our capital stock now. We are 
borrowing somewhere between maybe, if you actually just take this 
fiscal year, as high as $80,000 every second. We borrow $6 billion, $7 
billion every single day.
  I have done the chart before, but think about this. We click off an 
additional trillion dollars of borrowing about every 125 days. Do you 
think it is going to go on forever?
  I am going to show you, in the second part of this, a number of the 
biggest bond traders in the world, and Larry Fink and Ray Dalio are 
basically saying you guys got a problem, and it is coming fast. They 
are actually taking billions of dollars and starting to hedge even the 
U.S. bonds and saying we think you are going to 5 percent, 6 percent.
  Please understand that if the United States ever went back to what 
was normal before the Great Recession of 2008, if we went back to a 6 
percent handle on U.S. debt, in 9 years, 45 percent of all tax 
collections are interest. Why doesn't that scare the crap out of 
people?
  Then, we are going to engage in policies where we are doing our best 
to scare to death the very people we are turning to, saying to please 
buy our bonds.
  How do we do what is necessary, particularly in reconciliation, to 
not hurt working people by having their taxes go up because of the 
expiring provisions of TCJA, and then also, at the same time, deal with 
the math. If we finance everything, because we are already scheduled to 
borrow about $22 trillion additional between now and, I think, 2034, is 
the intent to stack another $5 trillion on top of that?
  You don't think the bond markets aren't going to punish us? Little 
bits of interest just crush not only the U.S. Government but also 
working people.
  How many people can afford a mortgage right now when it is over 7 
percent? How many can afford a car loan? We just went through, 
functionally, 3, 4 years of inflation where, in my community, if you 
don't make 27 percent more, you are poorer today.
  Isn't the employment rate great? It is, but it is wage growth, and 
wage growth goes up by two things: inflation, which means you are not 
getting ahead and are just treading water, or productivity.
  When you are lacking population growth, how do you get productivity? 
Regulatory policy, good trade policy, great tax policy that makes it so 
you are investing in plants, equipment, and research and development to 
do it better, faster, cheaper. That is how you make people less poor.
  This one is a little tricky, but it is fascinating. If you actually 
dig into the article, if you are out of your mind or geeky or you just 
don't have a life or you don't have a Netflix subscription, you sort of 
dig into what level of productivity growth you actually need just to 
sustain your lifestyle.
  It is all sorts of different countries, and for the United States, 
you need almost about 2 percent where we are looking at the different 
years. Do you see the pink line? We calculate if you are not having at 
least a 1.8 percent productivity gain, which is a lot, you are 
functionally poorer. You become poorer.
  For all the people who complain about, well, don't do tax cuts for 
business. Okay. Don't do regulatory change for business. Okay. Now, go 
read the literature.
  We know that, in 2017, when we did the change in the corporate tax 
rates, getting companies to move their money back here, getting them to 
invest in productivity, those things, we calculate from 60 to 70 
percent of every dime they got went into wages because, once again, the 
primary way people make more money is productivity.
  This is the chart I am sure will show up in an election ad beating 
the crap out of me, but you see this spike? That was the years of the 
open border. We go back to normality where the immigration system--
except we are the last country really on Earth that uses a familial 
system.
  In a familial system, you sponsor someone because your grandma was 
here. Your grandma sponsors her sister, and they sponsor theirs. That 
is a familial immigration system.
  My argument is, as part of when we are starting to deal with 
productivity for the society, we actually have to start thinking about 
it from top to bottom. It is not just great AI policy, great synthetic 
biology policy, great regulatory policy, great tax policy. It is also 
going to have to be immigration.
  Now, on to sort of the reality of where we are at. We actually got, I 
am going to call it, better news. CBO actually did some calculations 
and said we expect tax receipts to be up in this fiscal year.
  I have come here repeatedly and shown my chart that says, for every 
$1 the United States takes in in all sorts of tax receipts--remember, 
most of those tax receipts are going to Social Security, Medicare, 
those sorts of things, but for every $1 we take in, $1.39 is spent.
  Guess what? The good news is that now it is no longer $1.39 of 
spending for every $1 we take in. Now it is $1.36. It got better, but 
it is still terrifyingly bad. This is the improvement that so many 
people are running around being giddy about.
  Let's actually sort of walk through some of these numbers as quickly 
as we can.
  This chart says Federal spending as the share of total tax revenue. 
The reason I am showing you this is to give you an idea of the scale we 
are up against. If you actually take all of our tax receipts, every 
dime, and say here is what we call mandatory spending--Social Security, 
Medicare, Medicaid, veterans benefits, and interest because you have to 
pay your interest--we are the ones who basically binge on debt. It 
consumes every dollar of tax receipts plus some.
  We actually don't collect enough taxes to pay for our mandatory 
spending and our interest. That is our basic problem. If you do net 
interest and mandatory spending, it consumes everything.
  Mr. Speaker, the point from this chart is very simple: Everything you 
and I vote on, everything a Member of Congress votes on, is on borrowed 
money. That is every dime of defense and every dime of nondefense 
discretionary.
  We are going to do theatrical things like go on our local talk radio 
show, go on cable television, sometimes stand behind these mikes and 
say things that may be great policy, but we act like it actually will 
make a difference to these sorts of numbers. It doesn't.
  I have heard my brothers and sisters here say things like, okay, 
ObamaCare subsidies for those who are here illegally. I am fine with 
that. Go ahead and get rid of them, but it is 9\1/2\ hours for an 
entire year's worth of borrowing.
  In an entire year, you just covered 9\1/2\ hours. Don't act like it 
is a solution. It is one of a thousand things you have to do.
  Here is the classic problem on the way this place thinks. It turns 
out that fixing things is complex, and we live in a society with these 
things where we want something that is simple, flashy, short. It turns 
out that complexity often requires a complex solution.
  It is hard. We will have the armies of the lobbyists in the hallways 
mad at us. They don't like it when we tell the truth, Heaven forbid.
  Have you ever gone home and talked to your voters and they think if 
you just got rid of foreign aid--and then you show them the chart. It 
is about a week of borrowing, and they just stare at you with daggers, 
like, how can that be?
  It is not their fault. I believe the political class, the commentary 
class, and the partisan media class have just made up crap for years.
  I challenge my brothers and sisters on the left and the right to know 
your math and start telling the truth. If you look at charts like this 
where this right here is breakeven, this is where the dollar is. Even 
this year, every dime of discretionary and a little sliver of mandatory 
are on borrowed money, once again.
  The only reason I threw this chart in the way it is, where we did 
'24, '25--you see this. That was with the CBO's calculations that the 
law says next year they get to take in some $400 billion additional 
taxes because Americans' taxes go up. We don't want that to happen. We 
want to protect hardworking people.

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  The very last board I am going to show here is the way you protect 
American people is you offset as much of that as you can because you 
give it to hardworking folks and then take it away from them in higher 
interest costs and higher financing costs. You smile at them and hand 
them a dollar in their face while you are grabbing their wallet from 
behind and stealing it from them. That moment of telling the truth 
about math is really important.
  I brought a lot of the boards just trying to explain that, for the 
last couple of years, for every $1 we took in in tax receipts, we spent 
$1.39. This year, we will spend $1.36, which means all that 
differential.
  This is a little complex, but this will make it super simple, as best 
I can.
  You are going to hear particularly Democrats and others say the tax 
reform caused this or that. You have to work through the incredible 
craziness of the pandemic, but if you look at the charts and actually 
take a look at the matching of TCJA and what we expected to be 
inflation-adjusted tax receipts--I am not playing the scam of looking 
at how much more money we are getting, even though we have had 25 
percent inflation. For an honest number, when you actually calculate it 
and normalize it, guess what? Tax receipts are pretty much right on 
track.
  We have a couple of these to give you sort of a sense. When you take 
a look at annual revenues match pre-TCJA projections, this one is 
important, and we often don't actually talk about it. Go back to the 
baseline numbers of CBO and Joint Tax before we did tax reform in 2017. 
Then, step up to where we are today and take a look where baseline is. 
If you adjust for inflation, it is normal.

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  The math is normal. When someone says, well, it is because you did 
this tax reform and you helped the economy, I am not standing in front 
of you and saying tax cuts pay for themselves. What I am saying is that 
the scale of the economy actually today is right on track to what the 
projections were before tax reform.
  It is a complex calculation of everything from technology adoptions 
to new ways we do things to productivity gains, but the baseline number 
is the baseline number.
  Now, back to trying to make the point. What is the issue with the 
United States bingeing on debt? Is it that we don't collect enough 
taxes, or is it that we spend too much money?
  I have done entire presentations here where I have shown high 
marginal tax rates, low marginal tax rates, and we seem to hold about 
17 percent of the size of the economy in taxes. You will often hear 17 
percent of GDP.
  It is historic. Somehow when you raise up the marginal tax rates, you 
are getting 17 percent of the economy. Part of that is an offset 
because the economy slows down. When you have done low marginal tax 
rates, the economy grows, so you are getting 17 percent of the economy 
because the economy has expanded.
  In trying to make the point that growth is moral, it is also great 
economics. How do you grow, grow, grow? I just showed you, in the 
beginning portion of this, we have an issue. In 8 years, we will have 
more deaths than births. We have a demographic issue--debt 
demographics. Demographics are your destiny.
  I am just trying to point out on this, over the last 4 years, we 
functionally have borrowed $7.8 trillion in deficits. That borrowing 
functionally is a current stimulus effect, but you are going to pay for 
it. It is coming out of your retirement, whether you know it or not. It 
is coming from your kids.
  I am 62, and my wife is 62. I have a 9-year-old daughter and a 2\1/
2\-year-old son. They both have the same birth mom. We have adopted 
them. My little boy, when he is 24, to keep baseline services, just to 
keep things even--what was that fancy word? Ceteris paribus--the United 
States, in about 22 years, would have to double every single tax. The 
math basically says my kids will be part of the first generation in 
America that will be poorer. That is the morality of this place.
  They will say, David, adopting modernization and cutting spending is 
really hard, and we are going to get someone who is going to say mean 
things about us. Instead, you are willing to screw over your kids? That 
is the morality of this place. How is that Republican or Democratic?
  Then, once again, to my friends on the left over here, I have done a 
whole presentation on it. Go to the Manhattan Institute right now. Look 
up Riedl's analysis. Every tax hike--and there is a dozen of them--on 
those $400,000 and up, when you do all the economic effects, produces 
about 1\1/2\ percent of GDP.
  For those of us on the right, here are all the things we are willing 
to cut. It is about 1 percent of GDP.
  If my math is right, that is--what?--2\1/2\ percent.
  Mr. Speaker, we are going to borrow about 7 percent of the entire 
economy this year. Does anyone get the fraud? ``Here are the tax hikes. 
It is rich people,'' or, ``We are going to do these cuts.''
  We are not willing to do the hard things of modernizing how we 
deliver services to our brothers and sisters in this country because we 
are going to make some bureaucracy, some union, some company out there 
that lives off delivering the services the way they were doing it 30 
years ago modernize.
  Once again, over the last 4 years, we have gone from--what is it?--4 
years ago, the debt was $1.52 trillion. Last year, it was $1.9 
trillion. Now, you have to understand that that number also is a bit of 
a fraud.
  The United States is one of the only countries that doesn't actually 
put in its internal borrowing. We borrow money from the Social Security 
trust fund, from the veterans trust fund, from all these things. Are we 
not going to pay it back? You know we pay interest to those.
  That is why the real number for this year is going to be closer to 
$2.3 trillion because there is about another $300 billion out there 
that we borrow internally that we also have to pay back and also have 
to pay interest.
  Budget deficits are headed to--I have to make the point. If there is 
any staffer who actually writes memos for their boss, this is the one I 
want them to memorize. If we do the tax hikes that are coming and don't 
offset them--we don't pay for them--in 9 years, we are no longer at 7 
percent of the economy in borrowed money. We are at, I think it is, 9.2 
percent of the economy in borrowed money.
  When the smart people are starting to tell us that small changes in 
interest rates--are we really dead set on trying to freak out our 
bankers, the people we turn to, and say: Please buy U.S. bonds. Help us 
finance the fact that we can't stop spending.
  Let's say this again. If we went to a six handle on U.S. debt, so 6 
percent, which I think, before 2008, we were at 5\1/2\, 6 percent, 
somewhere in there, in 9 years, 45 percent of all tax receipts would be 
just interest.
  We are playing with live ammunition here, and we seem terrified to 
own a calculator.
  You are going to tell our brothers and sisters, the hardworking 
people of this country, that we are not going to let your taxes be 
raised. Absolutely. But we don't want to do things that are hard and 
get yelled at by a lobbyist or some group back home, so we are just 
going to borrow the money. We are going to give it to you, and then a 
few years from now, you will find out that productivity in the country 
has slowed down because the capital stack, another $4 trillion we have 
sucked out of the economy, doesn't get lent to your business, to you 
buying a house, to the new piece of equipment.
  The economists have already done the calculations basically saying--I 
am sorry, it got crumpled as I was marching over here--you want to 
maximize the economic growth and the wealth of this country. There is a 
CBO report that has been vetted by my economists on Joint Economic. You 
want to maximize prosperity and the curve. You offset the spending 
because you are screwing up the available capital.

  The reason really smart bond houses are now writing articles is the 
bingeing on debt that is going on in this country but also China and so 
many other places. Why do you think Great Britain this summer took down 
their government? Their bonds exploded; they lost their government. 
What the hell do you think is going on in France? What do you think is 
going on in Germany? What do you think happened in South Korea? What do 
you think was happening in Canada?

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  All these countries, even Germany, are just trying to deal with the 
financing costs of their pensions. The United States is much better off 
than many of these countries, but it is coming fast for us.
  Do hard things today. Maximize prosperity tomorrow for every working 
person but also for my kids and maybe for your pension, your 
retirement.
  Mr. Speaker, getting older isn't Republican or Democratic. It is 
math. Go to CBO's data and tell the truth: 100 percent of the debt for 
the next 30 years is Social Security and Medicare. The rest of the 
government actually grows slower than tax receipts. It is like $124 
trillion of borrowing, but everything is basically what we call 
discretionary. Military is actually squeezed to grow slower than the 
tax receipts. It actually has what they calculate as a positive 
balance.
  This isn't mean because, the fact of the matter is, we have 
demonstrated here over and over that you could modernize how we deliver 
so many of these things to our brothers and sisters who have earned 
their benefits. You just have to be willing to tell the bureaucracy and 
the deliverers of those services, saying: We expect you to modernize.
  Those of us with a fixation on watching the bond futures, the debt 
markets, today's interest rates are almost a full point higher than 
they were December 1. If that 1 percent works its way into U.S. bonds 
over the next 10 years, it is almost $3 trillion of additional 
spending. It is almost everything we are talking about trying to cut.
  Grow up. Figure out how to actually act like we are the board of 
directors of the biggest economy in the world, understand math, and 
start being fiscally disciplined. It doesn't mean cruel. It is not 
cutting and slashing. If you don't communicate to the world, who we ask 
for money, they raise our interest rates, and those interest rates are 
much more cruel than anything we could possibly do.
  Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Before we go to our next speaker, may I 
please remind the gallery to close the door if there are conversations 
outside the gallery.

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