S.Hrg. 115-504 — PENDING LEGISLATION115th Congress (2017-2018)
Senate Committee Meeting
Hide OverviewCommittee: | Senate Energy and Natural Resources |
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Related Items: | S.400, S.966, H.R.1135, S.1160, S.1260, S.1335, H.R.1397, S.1446, S.1472, H.R.1500, S.1573, S.1602, S.1645, S.1646, S.1692, S.1956, S.2102, S.2213, S.2225, S.2238, H.R.2615, H.R.2897, H.R.4300 |
Date: | Wednesday February 14, 2018 |
Location: | Data will display when it becomes available. |
Website: | https://www.energy.senate.gov/public/ |
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[Senate Hearing 115-504] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] S. Hrg. 115-504 PENDING LEGISLATION ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL PARKS OF THE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED FIFTEENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION on S. 400 S. 1573 S. 2102 S. 966 S. 1602 S. 2213/H.R. 4300 S. 1160 S. 1645 S. 2225 S. 1260/H.R. 2615 S. 1646 S. 2238 S. 1335 S. 1692 H.R. 1397 S. 1446/H.R. 1135 S. 1956/H.R. 2897 H.R. 1500 S. 1472 __________ FEBRUARY 14, 2018 __________ [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Printed for the use of the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.govinfo.gov ______ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 29-765 WASHINGTON : 2020 COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES LISA MURKOWSKI, Alaska, Chairman JOHN BARRASSO, Wyoming MARIA CANTWELL, Washington JAMES E. RISCH, Idaho RON WYDEN, Oregon MIKE LEE, Utah BERNARD SANDERS, Vermont JEFF FLAKE, Arizona DEBBIE STABENOW, Michigan STEVE DAINES, Montana JOE MANCHIN III, West Virginia CORY GARDNER, Colorado MARTIN HEINRICH, New Mexico LAMAR ALEXANDER, Tennessee MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii JOHN HOEVEN, North Dakota ANGUS S. KING, JR., Maine BILL CASSIDY, Louisiana TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois ROB PORTMAN, Ohio CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO, Nevada SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West Virginia TINA SMITH, Minnesota ------ Subcommittee on National Parks STEVE DAINES, Chairman JOHN BARRASSO ANGUS S. KING, JR. MIKE LEE BERNARD SANDERS CORY GARDNER DEBBIE STABENOW LAMAR ALEXANDER MARTIN HEINRICH JOHN HOEVEN MAZIE K. HIRONO ROB PORTMAN TAMMY DUCKWORTH Brian Hughes, Staff Director Patrick J. McCormick III, Chief Counsel Michelle Lane, Professional Staff Member Mary Louise Wagner, Democratic Staff Director Sam E. Fowler, Democratic Chief Counsel David Brooks, Democratic General Counsel C O N T E N T S ---------- OPENING STATEMENTS Page Daines, Hon. Steve, Subcommittee Chairman and a U.S. Senator from Montana........................................................ 1 King, Jr., Hon. Angus S., Subcommittee Ranking Member and a U.S. Senator from Maine............................................. 4 Portman, Hon. Rob, a U.S. Senator from Ohio...................... 5 WITNESS Smith, P. Daniel, Deputy Director, National Park Service, U.S. Department of the Interior..................................... 6 ALPHABETICAL LISTING AND APPENDIX MATERIAL SUBMITTED Agenda........................................................... 3 American Discovery Trail Society: Statement for the Record..................................... 49 Blue Ridge National Heritage Area: Statement for the Record..................................... 54 Blunt, Hon. Roy: Statement for the Record..................................... 57 Bowser, Hon. Muriel: Letter for the Record........................................ 58 Burr, Hon. Richard: Statement for the Record..................................... 60 Capito, Hon. Shelley Moore and Coons, Hon. Chris: Joint Statement for the Record regarding S. 1573............. 61 Joint Statement for the Record regarding S. 1692............. 63 Cardin, Hon. Benjamin L. and Van Hollen, Hon. Chris: Joint Statement for the Record............................... 65 Daines, Hon. Steve: Opening Statement............................................ 1 Hirono, Hon. Mazie K.: Statement for the Record..................................... 69 King, Jr., Hon. Angus S.: Opening Statement............................................ 4 Murkowski, Hon. Lisa: Statement for the Record..................................... 71 National EMS Memorial Foundation: Letter for the Record........................................ 73 National Parks Conservation Association: Letter for the Record........................................ 76 Portman, Hon. Rob: Opening Statement............................................ 5 Smith, P. Daniel: Opening Statement............................................ 6 Written Testimony............................................ 8 Responses to Questions for the Record........................ 37 (The) Wilderness Society: Letter for the Record........................................ 79 __________ The text for each of the bills which were addressed in this hearing can be found on the committee's website at: https://www.energy.senate.gov/ public/index.cfm/2018/2/subcommittee 021418. PENDING LEGISLATION ---------- WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 14, 2018 U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on National Parks, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, Washington, DC. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 3:07 p.m. in Room SD-366, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Steve Daines, presiding. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. STEVE DAINES, U.S. SENATOR FROM MONTANA Senator Daines [presiding]. The Subcommittee will come to order. Before we begin I would like to take a moment to welcome our new Ranking Member, Senator Angus King, who hails from the great State of Maine. I will tell you there is some great symmetry here with Maine and Montana here leading this Committee. It is wonderful to have you and, truly, I look forward to working with you. The 23 bills we are examining this afternoon cover a wide range of issues related to the federal land administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, primarily by the National Park Service. Some of the items we will hear today are new to the Subcommittee and others we have heard before in previous Congresses, but this will give us a great opportunity to update the record as well as for members to ask questions. In addition, a good number of the items on the agenda today have been included in S. 1460, the Energy and Natural Resources Act of 2017. Because we have so many items on the agenda today, I won't go through each one, but I would like to highlight a few before we do get started. For example, S. 1260, which was introduced by my colleague, Senator Cochran, is on the list today. This bill would authorize a land exchange between the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) Post 5699 in Ocean Springs, Mississippi, and the National Park Service. Right now, the only way to reach the VFW Post is across a one lane, dirt access road. While the Park Service allows the VFW to construct and maintain the access road, they did not provide a right of way or a special use permit. This land exchange between the VFW and the Park Service would allow for guaranteed access to a driveway for VFW members and would be mutually beneficial for both parties. I think this is the least we can do for those who have served our country. Speaking of those who have served, we have another item on our agenda today, Senate bill 2213, which speaks to the legacy of the veterans of our greatest generation. This bill was introduced by Senator Hirono and would allow for the creation of the Pacific War Memorial at Pearl Harbor to tell the story of those U.S. Servicemembers who fought bravely alongside all other allied servicemembers in the Pacific Theater during World War II, many who made the ultimate sacrifice. This may come as a surprise to many, but the current memorials at Pearl Harbor commemorate America's entry into and the successful end to the war but lack of space to honor individuals who served in Theater. This legislation would allow a commemorative display to be constructed at no cost to the Federal Government and would be named after a hero of the greatest generation, Admiral Lloyd R. ``Joe'' Vasey, who, it is my understanding, recently celebrated his 101st birthday. I look forward to learning more about how we can move this forward on a bipartisan basis. We have a few other items on the agenda that, I believe, are of special significance today. It is February which is African American History Month. There are two bills on our agenda: S. 1645, which would authorize a special resource study for Public School 103, that is Thurgood Marshall's elementary school, and Senate bill 1646, which would authorize a special resource study for President Street Station in Baltimore, both of which are significant to African American and all American history. In addition, S. 1446, which would reauthorize Historically Black Colleges and Universities Preservation Program, is on the agenda. I look forward to a good discussion on each of these items in addition to the rest of all the bills on our long list. Each of these agenda items are not only important to individual members of the Subcommittee but to our nation's parks and citizens as a whole. This Subcommittee is so important to our members and our citizens because we often talk about very local issues and about access to our parks. In Montana, access to public lands and recreation is at the forefront of our minds and our economy. It is my hope that as Chair I can continue to further that discussion. In fact, just today we heard from the Bureau of Economic Analysis about the economic benefit of outdoor recreation to our economy. I know we have quite a few items on the agenda today, but I am hopeful we can move through the list fairly quickly. It is Valentine's Day. I am sure somebody in this room may have other plans this evening. The purpose of this hearing is to consider the Administration's views on these bills and allow Committee members an opportunity to ask questions. We will also include written statements that have been sent to the Subcommittee in the official hearing record. Because of the large number of bills on today's agenda, I will not read through the list, but at this time I will include the complete agenda in the hearing record. Without objection. [The complete agenda referred to follows:] UNITED STATES SENATE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES Subcommittee on National Parks February 14, 2018 Hearing regarding Pending Legislation AGENDA S. 400, the Susquehanna National Heritage Area Act S. 966, the National Historic Vehicle Register Act of 2017 S. 1160, the Abraham Lincoln National Heritage Area Amendment Act S. 1260/H.R. 2615, the Gulf Islands National Seashore Land Exchange Act of 2017 S. 1335, the Ste. Genevieve National Historical Park Establishment Act S. 1446/H.R. 1135, to reauthorize the Historically Black Colleges and Universities Historic Preservation program S. 1472, a bill to reauthorize the Tennessee Civil War Heritage Area S. 1573, the American Discovery Trail Act of 2017 S. 1602, the Finger Lakes National Heritage Area Study Act S. 1645, the Thurgood Marshall's Elementary School Study Act S. 1646, the President Street Station Study Act S. 1692, the National Emergency Medical Services Commemorative Work Act S. 1956/H.R. 2897, a bill to authorize the Mayor of the District of Columbia and the Director of the National Park Service to enter into cooperative management agreements for the operation, maintenance, and management of units of the National Park System in the District of Columbia S. 2102, the Acadia National Park Boundary Clarification Act S. 2213/H.R. 4300, the Admiral Lloyd R. ``Joe'' Vasey Pacific War Commemorative Display Establishment Act S. 2225, the Blue Ridge National Heritage Area Reauthorization Act of 2017 S. 2238, a bill to amend the Ohio & Erie Canal National Heritage Canalway Act of 1996 to repeal the funding limitation H.R. 1397, to authorize, direct, facilitate, and expedite the transfer of administrative jurisdiction of certain Federal land, and for other purposes H.R. 1500, the Robert Emmet Park Act of 2017 Senator Daines. We have one witness today, Mr. P. Daniel Smith, Deputy Director, National Park Service, U.S. Department of the Interior. This is Mr. Smith's first time testifying for the Subcommittee but not his first time up here in the Senate in this capacity. I would like to thank him for being here with us. First, let me turn to the Ranking Member, my friend, Senator King, for his opening remarks. STATEMENT OF HON. ANGUS S. KING, JR., U.S. SENATOR FROM MAINE Senator King. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I must say I am delighted to be joining you as Ranking Member of this Subcommittee. I am just delighted to welcome Director Smith who, I just learned, hails from Portland, Maine, which means you have a lot of credibility coming out of the box, Mr. Director. Don't screw it up. [Laughter.] We are delighted to have you here. I am also excited you mentioned Thurgood Marshall. It was 50 years ago this spring that I was a young law student and I heard Thurgood Marshall speak at the University of Virginia Law School. It is one of the highlights of my life. I still remember the speech to this day. I am a strong supporter of the National Park System, a firm believer in its mission to protect and preserve the natural and cultural resources of this nation for the enjoyment of future generations. In this role, I hope to help the Park Service bring its operations into the 21st century, to help our national parks connect to a new generation of visitors, and to redouble our efforts to solve the challenges facing the Park System from older challenges like park maintenance and funding to the newer challenges such as record visitation at certain parks and the long-term threats of climate change. Director Smith, I also welcome you to the Committee today. I appreciate your testimony on the pending legislation and appreciate the work that you have done for many years. I understand one of the issues that I am going to be talking about is Acadia National Park, and you worked on that issue in 1986. It is a delight to have you here with your expertise and history. The Park Service and the Department of the Interior has been working with me for some time to address concerns about the legislation involving Acadia. I know that both the Administration and the Maine delegation are dedicated to preserving and continuously improving Acadia National Park, one of the crown jewels of the National Park System. I think the changes we have made in this legislation appropriately take care of a number of issues at the Park. Importantly, the bill addresses the concern from local neighbors about the Park and about the boundaries by protecting traditional activities of clammers and wormers near the Park and it also addresses an assortment of other issues that were bound to arise between close neighbors who have been in proximity for 100 years. By the way, I was at a celebration two summers ago of the 100th anniversary of Acadia National Park, and at the celebration was the only person on the island older than the Park, David Rockefeller. He was 101 and was at that celebration. The legislation that we are bringing forward also codifies important work and a welcome gift to Acadia, 1,400 acres on the Schoodic Peninsula and addresses some long-term concerns about the size and scale of the Park by ending a lack of clarity on the Park Service's authority and the role of Congress regarding future acquisitions and boundary changes. Thank you again, Director Smith, for being here, and thank you, Chairman Daines. I look forward to our hearing. Senator Daines. Thank you, Ranking Member King. Are there any Senators who would like to make a short statement on their legislation today? STATEMENT OF HON. ROB PORTMAN, U.S. SENATOR FROM OHIO Senator Portman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am delighted that you are chairing this Subcommittee and that you have an able Ranking Member, both of whom have great passion for the parks. I am proud to be on this Subcommittee. I know that both of you have some great parks in your states. We do too, in Ohio, as Mr. Smith knows. We are proud of our Cuyahoga Valley National Park. We worked last year with this Subcommittee, the full Committee and the Park Service on the National Park Service Centennial Act. I just had the National Park Foundation folks in recently and they reported that they have well exceeded their expectations on raising private money to match the federal money which is going to go into this issue of the maintenance backlog, among other things, which is so critical. And then, of course, we have this new legislation, the National Park Service Legacy Act with Senator Warner to dedicate some of these on and off shore resources to address that backlog that, I know, the Chair and Ranking Member feel strongly about also because they see it in their own parks. My hope is that we can move forward with legislation that continues to expand these public-private partnerships and get more money to the backlogs. We have a bill, also, that is going to be discussed today, the National Historic Vehicle Register Act, with Senator Peters, and then we have a reauthorization we need for the Ohio and Erie Canal which is a National Heritage Area. I will say on that one, Mr. Chairman, the leverage has been one to three. So $1.00 of federal funding, about $600,000 a year has been leveraged with another $3.00 of mostly private funding. It is a good example of leveraging some money from the Park Service to create additional funds that can help to protect some critical areas and, in this case as well as Cuyahoga Valley, areas that have high population and a lot of usage. Cuyahoga Valley National Park is one of the top ten parks in the country in terms of attendance, even though it is not as large and does not have the reputation, perhaps, of some other parks in your respective states. So thank you for being here, Mr. Smith. And again, to the Chair and Ranking Member, I am really excited to be on the Subcommittee with them and continue to take whatever efforts, steps, we can to help the National Parks be successful. Senator Daines. Thank you, Senator Portman. All member statements will be added to the hearing record. It is now time to hear from our witness, Mr. P. Daniel Smith, Deputy Director, National Park Service, U.S. Department of the Interior. At the end of your testimony, we will begin questions. Your full written testimony will be made part of the official hearing record. Mr. Smith, you may proceed. STATEMENT OF P. DANIEL SMITH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR Mr. Smith. Mr. Chairman and Senators, I appear before you as the Deputy Director, executing the authority of the Director of the National Park Service. It's a pleasure to be here with you today, opportunity to present the Department of the Interior's views on the 23 bills on today's agenda. I would like to submit our full statements on each of these bills for the record and summarize our views. The Department supports the following bills: S. 2102 which would confirm in statute that the boundary of Acadia National Park includes Schoodic Woods property that was donated in 2015. The bill would strictly limit future administrative boundary adjustments and it would allow traditional harvesting of marine species in the Park. S. 1692 which would authorize the National Emergency Medical Services Memorial Foundation to establish a commemorative work in the District to honor the commitment and service of the emergency medical services profession. H.R. 1397 which would resolve a longstanding access issue on the George Washington Memorial Parkway. S. 1260 and H.R. 2615 which would resolve an access issue at Gulf Islands National Seashore. S. 1446 and H.R. 1135 which would reauthorize funding for the preservation and restoration of historic structures on the campuses of historically black colleges and universities. And finally, S. 2213 and H.R. 43 which would authorize the organization named Pacific Historic Parks to establish a commemorative display at Pearl Harbor. The Department supports the goals of the following bills: S. 1956 and H.R. 2897 which would clarify the National Park Service and District of Columbia may enter into cooperative management agreements. However, we would like to work with the sponsors and the Committee to ensure that these bills would not affect other existing authorities. And S. 1335 which would authorize the establishment of the Ste. Genevieve National Historical Park. However, the Administration's focus is to reduce the National Park Service's $11.6 billion deferred maintenance backlog and to address critical National Park issues. Funding for new units in the National Park System is not a priority in the Administration's Fiscal '19 budget. The Department does not object to H.R. 1500 which would rename Reservation 302 in the District of Columbia as the Robert Emmet Park. Mr. Chairman, there were also eight bills related to National Heritage Areas and special resource studies that the Administration cannot support at this time. They are: S. 1645 which would authorize a special resource study of P.S. 103, Thurgood Marshall School in West Baltimore. S. 1646 which would authorize a special resource study of President Street Station in Baltimore. S. 1602 which would authorize a study of the suitability and feasibility of designating an area in New York as the Finger Lakes National Heritage Area. S. 400 which would establish the Susquehanna National Heritage Area in Pennsylvania. S. 1160 which would expand the boundaries of Lincoln National Heritage Area. S. 1472 which would extend the funding authorization for the Tennessee Civil War Heritage Area for Fiscal Years 2018 to 2021. S. 2225 which would extend the funding authorization for Blue Ridge National Heritage Area for Fiscal Years 2019 to 2022. And finally, S. 2238 which would eliminate the funding ceiling for the Ohio and Erie National Historic Heritage Canalway. The Department recognizes that National Heritage Areas play an important role in preserving and interpreting unique aspects of our nation's history and that special resource studies help inform decisions about the future care of the places that are part of the American story; however, National Heritage Areas and special resource studies are not funding priorities in the Administration's budget. Under these circumstances, we believe it would be unwise to authorize new studies, designate new national heritage areas or extend the funding authority or boundaries of any national historic areas at this time. However, the Department looks forward to working with Congress, particularly the members of this Subcommittee, to craft long-term solutions that will fund our National Park System. The Department does not support S. 1573. This bill would mandate the placement of signage for the unauthorized American Discovery Trail on federal land. Finally, the Department opposes S. 966 which would require the National Park Service to establish and maintain a register of historic vehicles because it would create an unnecessary new program. Mr. Chairman, this concludes my statement and I would be pleased to answer any questions you may have. [The prepared statements of Mr. Smith follow:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Senator Daines. Thank you for your testimony. I know that Chairman Murkowski had some other commitments and did not have the opportunity to ask questions today. Mr. Smith, on Senate bill 1956 which would authorize the Mayor of the District of Columbia and the Director of the National Park Service to enter into a cooperative management agreement for the operation and maintenance and management of units of the National Park System in the District of Columbia. First, I want to thank you for the testimony on that, but I think all of us in this room can agree that this bill is about good government. Any time we have the opportunity to streamline efficiencies, improve visitor services and allow public-private partnerships to provide investments in our parks, it is a win- win. This bill will allow DC to invest, starting with Franklin Park, in the modernization of Franklin Park. Mr. Smith, your testimony mentioned that the National Park Service felt the city already had this authority to sign these agreements, but the city solicitors felt they lacked such authority. Could you explain how this discussion came about? Mr. Smith. Mr. Chairman, I don't have the actual details on that but I do know that as so many things with the District of Columbia, it's sometimes not aligned in law like the state, like our relationships with states are, as far as these types of agreements. So, in this regard, if we have legal opinions from two different sources, this bill addresses that and so, the Park Service is supporting the bill that would make this not an issue anymore. Senator Daines. That is the Park Service recommendation then, to clarify this discrepancy? Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Senator Daines. Okay, thank you. I want to shift gears to S. 1573. As written, S. 1573 would authorize the Secretaries of Interior and Agriculture to place signage on federal land marking the American Discovery Trail. As noted in the Department's testimony, the American Discovery Trail is not a federally designated trail but rather a trail coordinated and promoted by a non-profit. The trail was subject to a Congressionally-mandated study which was ultimately recommended for inclusion as a new category of trail systems, separate from scenic or historic trails. No action has occurred on this recommendation. Your testimony notes that federal land managers should retain the authority to decline the request to allow signage for non-federal trails in instances where they believe the signage could have detrimental impacts. Could you describe how this type of signage, whether specific to the American Discovery Trail or using a similar example, could have some type of detrimental impact? Mr. Smith. Detrimental is a strong word. It's basically, especially in the case of a trail that's not been authorized by the Congress and to have to place, they have to take on the responsibility of placing that, from a program area point of view, once we would do it for the American Discovery Trail, would there be other instances where putting up signs on federal property would become an issue? And I don't know if detriment is the correct word, but it is a policy that if it begins in one place, you set a precedent for it to happen in others. And right now, I can't think of a good example of where there might be another instance of this, but I'd be glad to provide that for the record. I'm sure that my memory will be better when I'm not sitting here today. Senator Daines. Okay, that would be helpful and if there is a better word than detrimental, we are open to that as well, if you think about it, if it comes to mind. My last question, Mr. Smith, is about your testimony regarding H.R. 1500 which would rename Reservation 302 in the District of Columbia as Robert Emmet Park. I noted something interesting. While the Park Service did not object to this legislation, the Department did point out that the statue in this small park we would be renaming, is owned by the Smithsonian and could technically be moved at any point in time. Has the Department been in contact with the Smithsonian regarding their long-term plans for the statue? Mr. Smith. I mean, understand Mr. Chairman, that we're in negotiations to extend it for another two years and I don't know why it wouldn't be extended beyond that, but I don't have more details. For right now, we are in discussions with Smithsonian to leave it there, at least for several more years. Senator Daines. In 2016, when the Department rehabilitated the landscaping at Reservation 302, were the future needs of the statue coordinated with the Smithsonian? Mr. Smith. One more time, Mr. Chairman? Senator Daines. In 2016, when the Department rehabilitated the landscaping at Reservation 302, were the future needs of the statue the Smithsonian owns, was it coordinated with the Smithsonian? Mr. Smith. Mr. Chairman, I imagine that it was, but I will also provide that for the record. Senator Daines. Okay. Mr. Smith. I'm just not aware. Senator Daines. Alright. Thank you. Ranking Member King. Senator King. Thank you. Acting Director Smith, thank you again for your support of S. 2001 and S. 2102 on Acadia, and I really want to express the appreciation of the entire Maine delegation for the work that the Department has done to get that bill to a place where we could have your support and we think solves some nagging problems at the Park. I think everyone in the region will appreciate that. I also wanted to mention that I appreciate the fact that in the President's budget request, the new budget request, it includes funding for our new Katahdin Woods and Waters National Monument. The monument has already begun to generate a lot of interest, excitement, and economic activity in the region, and we're very optimistic about the opportunity that it presents to that region. Infrastructure is very limited there because it is brand new, but I would love to have you come and visit. I would suggest, perhaps, a little later in the year, but we would love to have you come and visit the monument. I think you will be impressed by this really, very special, place. This monument came with substantial private support, but it needs support from the Park Service as well. I know that they are working on their management plan now, and we are going to continue to work with that process. But again, I want to thank the Administration for funding the beginnings of the infrastructure program at the new monument and hope that you may be able to see your way clear to come to Maine and see this special place. Mr. Smith. I understand that you and Secretary Zinke had a very interesting discussion on his visit. I'm glad to tell you that leading trip and trail programs in Maine, years ago, I've been stared down by a very big bull moose on one of those timber roads as I was hauling six canoes. And so, I know the area very well, Senator. But I will use your statement to convince the Department that I need to be in Maine sometime this summer. Thank you very much. Senator King. Yes, sir, anytime. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Daines. Sounds like a pretty good deal there, Senator King. If there are no more questions for today, members may also submit follow-up questions for the record. The hearing record will be open for two weeks. Unless you have more questions, Ranking Member King? Okay, I want to thank Mr. Smith for his time and testimony today. This hearing is adjourned. [Whereupon, at 3:30 p.m. the hearing was adjourned.] APPENDIX MATERIAL SUBMITTED ---------- [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]